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by Jacob Thomson and Rory Linkletter
Rory Linkletter and Jacob Thomson are professional marathoners chasing fast times and big goals on the roads. Training out of Flagstaff, Arizona, they’ve got plenty of stories from the grind of big mileage, the chaos of race travel, the highs and lows of racing on the world stage and the random stuff that happens between workouts. With a passion for storytelling, running culture, and building community, Rory and Jacob bring listeners behind the scenes of the marathon lifestyle. Training talk with a few detours.
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- 1 weeks ago1h 5m
#60 - Andreas Almgren: World Half Marathon Champion
European record holder and world champion Andreas Almgren joins the Out and Back Podcast ahead of his highly anticipated marathon debut at the New York City Marathon.Known for his meticulous, self-coached approach to training, Andreas breaks down how he's adapted his famous double threshold system for the marathon, including 40K long runs, massive training weeks, and the data-driven decisions behind his preparation. He shares why he chose New York over a faster course, what success looks like in his debut, and how the marathon fits into his pursuit of Olympic gold in 2028.They also dive into his approach to altitude and heat training, injury prevention, fueling with 120 grams of carbohydrates per hour, and why his biggest training philosophy is simply "don't be greedy."Before the interview, Rory and Jacob discuss the newly announced 2028 Olympic marathon qualification rules and the latest doping developments in professional running.Our Sponsors:Blizzard: Explore the Canvas Collection, where athlete-tested ski performance meets original artwork. You can check out the Blizzard Canvas collection at: https://bit.ly/blizzard-outandbackAquaOmega: For your daily dose of Omega-3’s, go to myaquaomega.com/OUTANDBACK and use code OUTANDBACK for 20% off.Merch Store:https://outandback.shop/Coaching:Jacob’s Coaching WebsiteRory’s Coaching WebsiteJoin our newsletterJoin our Strava groupFollow us:Jacob’s YouTubeRory’s YouTube Out And Back YouTubeRory’s StravaJacob’s StravaRory’s InstagramJacob’s InstagramSandyBoy Productions
- 2 weeks ago1h 7m
#59 - Between Reps - Shout Out Chicago!
Fresh off Chicago Marathon weekend, Jacob and Rory are back in Flagstaff to break down the biggest performances, surprises, and takeaways from the race.In a special “Shout Out Chicago” episode, they discuss Vinny Mauri's aggressive race strategy, Clayton Young's incredible performance, Galen Rupp's American masters record, and the growing depth of American marathoning. They also share behind-the-scenes stories from pacing Sharon Lokedi and Dakotah Popehn, discuss the impact of the weather, and make a surprise phone call to Clayton Young.Plus, highlights from their first live show and how Chicago has fueled their motivation heading into Valencia and CIM.Our Sponsors:Blizzard: Explore the Canvas Collection, where athlete-tested ski performance meets original artwork. You can check out the Blizzard Canvas collection at: https://bit.ly/blizzard-outandbackCure Hydration: Stay hydrated with great-tasting electrolytes made with coconut water, pink Himalayan salt, and real fruit. Get 20% off at curehydration.com/outandback with code OUTANDBACK.OS1st: Keep your feet supported and comfortable with performance socks and recovery gear. Shop at os1st.com and use code OUTANDBACK or JACOB10 for a discount.Squirrel's Nut Butter: Prevent chafing and stay comfortable on every run with Flagstaff-made anti-chafe products. Shop at squirrelsnutbutter.com and use code OUTANDBACK or JACOB10 for a discount.Floss Point: Get your muscles moving and relieve tightness before your next run with Floss Point bands. Use code OUTANDBACK or JACOB10 for a discount.Fleet Feet: Find running shoes, gear, and expert support at your local Fleet Feet, with 10 locations in Chicago and hundreds nationwide. Visit fleetfeet.com.Merch Store:https://outandback.shop/Coaching:Jacob’s Coaching WebsiteRory’s Coaching WebsiteJoin our newsletterJoin our Strava groupFollow us:Jacob’s YouTubeRory’s YouTube Out And Back YouTubeRory’s StravaJacob’s StravaRory’s InstagramJacob’s InstagramSandyBoy Productions
- 3 weeks ago1h 7m
#58 - Live from Chicago with Eric Floberg: Berlin Reflections, Race Day Strategy & Marathon Predictions
The Out & Back Podcast hits the road for its first-ever live show! Recorded at Fleet Feet the day before the Chicago Marathon, Rory Linkletter and Jacob are joined by Chicago's own Eric Floberg for a conversation about racing, training, and everything that comes with marathon weekend.Eric opens up about his recent Berlin Marathon, where a difficult lead-up and unexpected challenges kept him from the race he had hoped for. The three discuss what happens when a marathon doesn't go to plan, the mental side of racing, and the lessons that come from chasing big goals.They also look ahead to Chicago with course insights, race day advice, bold predictions, and questions from the live audience. It's a special episode celebrating the running community that has grown around Out & Back over its first year.Support our Sponsors:Meteo Pace: Be prepared for race day by getting 20% off MeteoPace Pro at https://www.meteopace.com/redeem Code: OUTANDBACK https://app.meteopace.com/redeem?code=OUTANDBACKAquaOmega: For your daily dose of Omega-3’s, go to myaquaomega.com/OUTANDBACK and use code OUTANDBACK for 20% off.OS1st: Your shoes are only half the battle on race day! OS1st makes performance socks with targeted compression, including their lightweight Thin Air socks designed to keep your feet cool and comfortable. Find them at os1st.com or your local Fleet Feet. GIVEAWAY: We're giving away 20 pairs of OS1st Thin Air socks! Head to our Instagram to enter for your chance to win.Transparent Labs: Fuel your training with protein, creatine, electrolytes, and more from Transparent Labs. Use code FLAGSTAFF for a discount on your first order.Merch Store:https://outandback.shop/Coaching:Jacob’s Coaching WebsiteRory’s Coaching WebsiteJoin our newsletterJoin our Strava groupFollow us:Jacob’s YouTubeRory’s YouTube Out And Back YouTubeRory’s StravaJacob’s StravaRory’s InstagramJacob’s InstagramSandyBoy Productions
- 4 weeks ago1h 14m
#57 - Chicago Predictions
Fall marathon season is here. Rory and Jacob catch up on their own training before recapping Berlin and looking ahead to Chicago, including their picks for the top Americans, the women’s race up front, and the athletes they’re watching.Then, with Chicago around the corner, they break down their approach to the final weeks of marathon training: when to schedule the last big workout, how much to taper, what to do when training doesn’t go to plan, and why the biggest goal now is simply not screwing up all the work you’ve already done.Plus, updates on Valencia and CIM, pacing duties in Chicago, and the Out & Back live show.Support our Sponsors:Meteo Pace: Be prepared for race day by getting 20% off MeteoPace Pro at https://www.meteopace.com/redeem Code: OUTANDBACK https://app.meteopace.com/redeem?code=OUTANDBACKAquaOmega: For your daily dose of Omega-3’s, go to myaquaomega.com/OUTANDBACK and use code OUTANDBACK for 20% off.Transparent Labs: Fuel your training with protein, creatine, electrolytes, and more from Transparent Labs. Use code FLAGSTAFF for a discount on your first order.Merch Store:https://outandback.shop/Coaching:Jacob’s Coaching WebsiteRory’s Coaching WebsiteJoin our newsletterJoin our Strava groupFollow us:Jacob’s YouTubeRory’s YouTube Out And Back YouTubeRory’s StravaJacob’s StravaRory’s InstagramJacob’s InstagramSandyBoy Productions
- Sep 27, 202654 min
#56 - Jadyn Keeler Breaks the Canadian Record + What’s Next in the Marathon
Fresh off a Canadian half marathon record, Jadyn Keeler joins Rory and Jacob in Flagstaff to break down her 68:03 performance at the World Road Running Championships in Copenhagen.Jadyn shares how the race unfolded, what changed during her first training block in Flagstaff, and how years of patient development at the University of North Dakota helped set up her breakout performance. She also talks about training under Terrence Mahon, her plans to make her marathon debut this spring, and her bigger goal of making Canada’s 2028 Olympic marathon team.Plus, Rory and Jacob recap the rest of Copenhagen, including the standout performances, the American results, and Rory’s own experience racing Worlds.Support our Sponsors:Meteo Pace: Be prepared for race day by getting 20% off MeteoPace Pro at https://www.meteopace.com/redeem Code: OUTANDBACK https://app.meteopace.com/redeem?code=OUTANDBACKAquaOmega: For your daily dose of Omega-3’s, go to myaquaomega.com/OUTANDBACK and use code OUTANDBACK for 20% off.Merch Store:https://outandback.shop/Coaching:Jacob’s Coaching WebsiteRory’s Coaching WebsiteJoin our newsletterJoin our Strava groupFollow us:Jacob’s YouTubeRory’s YouTube Out And Back YouTubeRory’s StravaJacob’s StravaRory’s InstagramJacob’s InstagramSandyBoy Productions
- Sep 20, 20261h 0m
#55 - Vinny Mauri’s 45-Mile Workout Days + World Road Running Champs Preview
Rory is in Copenhagen for the World Road Running Championships, Jacob is getting ready to open his season at the Cow Harbor 10K, and Vinny Mauri joins the show three weeks out from the Chicago Marathon.Vinny takes us inside the unconventional training that has taken over Strava, including 45-mile workout days, 140-mile weeks, massive treadmill sessions at Planet Fitness, and 11 long runs over 25 miles. He explains why he’s leaned so heavily into volume, how he’s making the marathon feel “short,” where his confidence comes from heading into Chicago, and how he plans to taper after his biggest training block yet.Before and after Vinny, Rory and Jacob preview the World Road Running Championships, catch up on their own training and racing, and break down World Ultimate.Plus, the guys announce an Out & Back live event during Chicago Marathon weekend. Grab your tickets here: https://www.eventbrite.com/e/out-back-podcast-with-rory-linkletter-and-jacob-thomson-tickets-2000969887799Merch Store:https://outandback.shop/Coaching:Jacob’s Coaching WebsiteRory’s Coaching WebsiteJoin our newsletterJoin our Strava groupFollow us:Jacob’s YouTubeRory’s YouTube Out And Back YouTubeRory’s StravaJacob’s StravaRory’s InstagramJacob’s InstagramSandyBoy Productions
- Sep 13, 202659 min
#54 - Ahmed Muhumed Takes on the Marathon
Ahmed Muhumed joins Jacob and Rory ahead of the World Road Running Championships in Copenhagen and his highly anticipated marathon debut at the New York City Marathon.Ahmed talks about what has changed as he makes the jump to 26.2, including running the highest mileage of his career, taking fueling seriously for the first time, and learning from some of the best marathoners around him. He also turns the tables on Jacob and Rory to ask what they’ve learned from their own marathon experience, from surviving the inevitable rough patches to fueling, bottle chaos and building legs that can handle the distance.They also get into why Ahmed specifically chose New York for his debut, studying every NYC Marathon since 2014, training with a stacked NAZ Elite crew, and what he needs to learn over the next year and a half to put himself in position to contend for the 2028 Olympic team.Support our Sponsors:Meteo Pace: Be prepared for race day by getting 20% off MeteoPace Pro at https://www.meteopace.com/redeem Code: OUTANDBACK https://app.meteopace.com/redeem?code=OUTANDBACKAquaOmega: For your daily dose of Omega-3’s, go to myaquaomega.com/OUTANDBACK and use code OUTANDBACK for 20% off.Merch Store:https://outandback.shop/Coaching:Jacob’s Coaching WebsiteRory’s Coaching WebsiteJoin our newsletterJoin our Strava groupFollow us:Jacob’s YouTubeRory’s YouTube Out And Back YouTubeRory’s StravaJacob’s StravaRory’s InstagramJacob’s InstagramSandyBoy Productions
- Sep 6, 20261h 11m
#53 - Jess McClain Is Thinking Bigger: Boston, World Champs & NYC
Jess McClain is back on Out & Back, and a lot has changed since her first visit.After finishing as the top American and setting the American course record at the Boston Marathon, Jess says the conversation has shifted. Being the top American is still meaningful, but now she wants to see herself as a factor internationally and start thinking about podiums.Jess joins Jacob and Rory from Flagstaff as she prepares to represent Team USA at the World Half Marathon Championships in Copenhagen before turning her attention to the New York City Marathon. They talk about her close second-place finish at Falmouth, how her mindset around marathon training has changed, the gear-shifting workouts that used to intimidate her, and why she actually turned around for a bottle during Boston.They also get into clean sport and drug testing, balancing professional running with a life and career outside of the sport, and Jess's new role as a small part owner of The Marathon Project. Plus, Jess shares what she wants out of Copenhagen, including why an American record isn't out of the question, even if racing the people around her comes first.Support our Sponsors:Meteo Pace: Be prepared for race day by getting 20% off MeteoPace Pro at https://www.meteopace.com/redeem Code: OUTANDBACK https://app.meteopace.com/redeem?code=OUTANDBACKAquaOmega: For your daily dose of Omega-3’s, go to myaquaomega.com/OUTANDBACK and use code OUTANDBACK for 20% off.Merch Store:https://outandback.shop/Coaching:Jacob’s Coaching WebsiteRory’s Coaching WebsiteJoin our newsletterJoin our Strava groupFollow us:Jacob’s YouTubeRory’s YouTube Out And Back YouTubeRory’s StravaJacob’s StravaRory’s InstagramJacob’s InstagramSandyBoy Productions
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About Out and Back
Rory Linkletter and Jacob Thomson are professional marathoners chasing fast times and big goals on the roads. Training out of Flagstaff, Arizona, they’ve got plenty of stories from the grind of big mileage, the chaos of race travel, the highs and lows of racing on the world stage and the random stuff that happens between workouts. With a passion for storytelling, running culture, and building community, Rory and Jacob bring listeners behind the scenes of the marathon lifestyle. Training talk with a few detours.
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