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by Joey Metzger
Confession...I am a slow but persistent trail runner who likes to take on crazy trail running adventures. This is a podcast about the weird world of running, trail running and ultramarathons. Mostly from the perspective of the back of the pack...ordinary people trying to do extra-ordinary things. Topics will focus on gear, health, nutrition, training, trails and trail races around MN and the Midwest, and also taking a look all of this through the lens of older runners. Get ready for an ultra slow, but highly optimistic ride. We will get to that finish line, even if we are...running behind.
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- 2 weeks ago1h 14m
Joey Free Solo | State Of The Pod, A Mammoth Recap
I figured it was time to do another FREE solo pod. That’s right, Alex Honnold style. No safety ropes, no rules and no guests. We can call it an annual QBR, State of the Pod or a Year In Review (even though it’s only Oct), but I just thought it would be a good time to just talk through my year. All of the adventures and issues, the happenings with the pod, and give a bit more insight into some specific recent adventures like the Mammoth Trailfest and surprising Joe Hardin at his Hustle In The Heartland event. As always, if you do not enjoy listening to just ME, you are free to skip this one, or use that wonderful “mark as played’ feature found on most pod playing apps like Spotify and Apple. But if you want to catch up on me, my year, the pod happenings, my trainings and some of my recent adventures, then this is that pod. So go lace up those shoes for your run, and don’t forget your knee braces so your kneecaps don’t explode, but it’s time to hit the trail.VOTE FOR STORM SPORTING EVENTS: https://woobox.com/d8z4veMammoth Trailfest: https://www.mammothtrailfest.com/Joe Hardin's Hustle In The Heartland race: https://runsignup.com/Race/IN/Lebanon/HustleInTheHeartlandHrRunWalk Reddit article on how long to produce a pod episode: https://www.reddit.com/r/podcasting/comments/o8c2oy/how_long_to_create_your_podcast_start_to_finish/Joey's YouTube Channel: https://www.youtube.com/@Run_Joey_RunRunning Behind on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/running.behind_podJoey's Strava Profile: https://www.strava.com/athletes/111237895Chasing Cutoffs w/Ben Mead (Go listen! It's awesome!):https://creators.spotify.com/pod/show/chasingcutoffsArtwork by Ed Linder
- Oct 2, 20261h 46m
Wes Plate & Joe Hardin | Holy Armadillos it's Hot & Humid in TN, Tales From Vol State
Did you ever have your car break down in the middle of nowhere and you had to walk down the highway to get help? And did you have to do that in the middle of a hot, summer day? Now did you also have to end up walking for 314 miles and you didn’t even have a car that broke down…you just walked on the side of a lonely, hot, humid and stormy highway. You know, a vacation WITHOUT a car, as the website says? Yeah, me neither! But my guests today did exactly that. Wes Plate and Joe Hardin each went 314 miles across the state of TN in the hottest part of summer, as part of the Last Annual Vol State 500K Road Race. Today I get to find out just what the heck they were thinking, and what kind of crazy adventures, catastrophes and life lessons they learned on that road. And be sure to stay tuned after the conversation for a new edition of Running Out Loud, where I feature a piece by none other than Joe Hardin. So, grab that Desitin for your feet, a credit card to buy some Gatorade and Twinkies and lets’ get ready to hit the road with Wes and & Joe.Wes on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/midpackelite/Joe on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/trail_tortoise_running/Wes on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@wplateWes' film on his 2026 Vol State Road Race: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FqQsWqLEivEJoe's "Beyond The Finish Line" podcast on the Everyday Athlete network: https://open.spotify.com/show/1wf56FRHeEdbrl8QIxtXuVWes' Copper Kings 100 race: https://www.onwardendurance.com/Joe's Odd Duck Running Co on IG: https://www.instagram.com/odd_duck_running_co/Joe's RTB Awards: https://rtbawards.com/The Last Annual Vol State Road Race site: https://vacationwithoutacar.com/races/vol-state/Joe’s writings and poetry on Substack: https://sobrietysweatandsawdust.substack.com/Joey's YouTube Channel: https://www.youtube.com/@Run_Joey_RunRunning Behind on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/running.behind_podJoey's Strava Profile: https://www.strava.com/athletes/111237895Chasing Cutoffs w/Ben Mead (Go listen! It's awesome!):https://creators.spotify.com/pod/show/chasingcutoffsArtwork by Ed Linder
- Sep 18, 20261h 15m
Tim Tollefson | Vinyl Re-Issue, Director’s Cut Mammoth Edition
I am doing something today that I’ve never done before. I am re-releasing an episode! This episode was originally released as episode 11, with the one and only, Mr. Tim Tollefson. Now why am I doing this…because I’m lazy? Well, I might be lazy but that’s not why. I am re-launching this conversation because #1, Tim is one of the best freaking people on the entire planet! We love hearing him on Freetrail’s Rest Day and other podcasts, and there just is no way to get too much Timmy T. #2, It’s Mammoth Trailfest time and I am headed back for 2026 BABY! This episode has the entire story of how Tim thought of it, what it takes to put this event on, what he is trying to do with it, and what it means to the community. Pay no attention to any speculation about my 2025 race, I will have some Director’s cut commentary to mitigate any nonsense. And finally #3, because Tim is just an amazing guy. He’s been very supportive of me of the podcast and of the Grace To The Finish campaign. So whether you’ve heard this one before, or whether you are about to experience its amazingness for the first time, head out for your run and let’s get ready to hit the trail again with Tim.[NEW LINKS]Tim interview with Rich Roll: https://youtu.be/m1aBpqU1DyUJeff Pelletier film of the 2025 Mammoth 200: https://youtu.be/6KwOoFXLR_M[Previous Links]Tim on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/timtollefson/Mammoth Trailfest: https://www.mammothtrailfest.com/Runners For Public Lands: https://runnersforpubliclands.org/Born To Adapt website: https://www.borntoadapt.org/Born To Adapt documentary (WATCH THIS!): https://youtu.be/QFKJyWXxcwsThe Mammoth 200 movie with Sally McRae: https://youtu.be/2a0efndmmsEUTMB Trail Race: https://montblanc.utmb.world/races/UTMBWestern State Endurance Run: https://www.wser.org/Joey's YouTube Channel: https://www.youtube.com/@Run_Joey_RunRunning Behind on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/running.behind_podJoey's Strava Profile: https://www.strava.com/athletes/111237895Chasing Cutoffs w/Ben Mead (Go listen! It's awesome!):https://creators.spotify.com/pod/show/chasingcutoffsArtwork by Ed Linder
- Sep 4, 20261h 40m
James Bonnett : The Young Gun, Faster Than A Horse & W.S.
James Bonnett....Oh yeah, many of you know exactly who he is. For those of you who do not; this is the guy who started running so early, he had finished his first marathon and ultramarathon before he was 10 years old. This is "The Kid", who was so fast that he WON his first 100 mile race when he was 12. This is the guy who later became a coach and coaches, and is friends with, folks like Nick & Jamil Coury, and Jim bleeping Walmsley. Yeah, that is that dude! The Young Gun himself! I was lucky enough to chat with him earlier this summer, and we talked about all of that. But really, we talk a lot about the 2026 Western States and how he helped get Neeraj Egbert across the finish line. James tells the story of giving out the golden ticket and how he then became his coach and friend and came up with a plan to help Neeraj realize his dream of redemption. This is one FANTASTIC conversation! Man Against Horse Race website: https://managainsthorse.com/James' coaching website: https://www.mcmillanrunning.com/product/online-coaching-james-bonnett/James' Ultrasignup results: https://ultrasignup.com/results_participant.aspx?fname=James&lname=BonnettFUN video on Trail GangstAZ with James and Nick Coury: https://youtu.be/XB8Jql-eS0g?si=QaIFQcXKCMpEXwGqGRACE To The Finish website: https://www.gracetothefinish.org/Joey's YouTube Channel: https://www.youtube.com/@Run_Joey_RunRunning Behind on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/running.behind_podJoey's Strava Profile: https://www.strava.com/athletes/111237895Artwork by Ed Linder
- Aug 25, 20261h 49m
Crew Access Vol 7 : FANS, WSER, WD50K & Other Acronyms
AND WE’RE BACK!!! Yes, I know, it’s been a minute. I did not mean to go full Bolder Boys on my podcast schedule, but I spent a chunk of time in Africa and then got a nasty bug and pretty darn sick. I am just now recovering and have some semblance of a voice, so I figured it’s time to get back on the horse and start kicking out some podcast episodes. This one is another Crew Access episode with my boys Erik & Mario. We actually recorded this earlier this summer after I got back from helping Neeraj at Western States. We talk about that experience along with our days at FANS, our training and plans for the rest of the year and a certain 2027 race in CA that we have all signed up for. Hopefully the conversation isn’t too dated, but I guarantee it will be fun and lively, as it always when the three of get together. Okay, I think we remember how to do this…let’s freaking go!Mario’s 35 mile birthday run on Strava: https://strava.app.link/TFePf5SDT5bPrecision WSER video featuring Neeraj: https://youtu.be/w4NKq30qLjsFANS Ultra Race: https://fansultraraces.org/Wild Duluth 50K: https://www.wildduluthraces.com/GRACE To The Finish website: https://www.gracetothefinish.org/Erik's Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/mr_spiegs/Mario's Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/stories/runmariorun91/Joey's YouTube Channel: https://www.youtube.com/@Run_Joey_RunRunning Behind on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/running.behind_podJoey's Strava Profile: https://www.strava.com/athletes/111237895Artwork by Ed Linder
- Jul 18, 20261h 42m
Chris Swenke : Listening, SCRC & Running By Design
Listening is the key to so many things in life. From learning, to your job, to your relationships, to being a good human and even being a good race director. Chris Swenke knows this, and for him, everything starts there. He began running as a way to get in shape for his first love of curling, but soon discovered that running was his real passion. It didn’t take long before he had completed marathons, ultramarathons, then 100 mile races and crazy adventures like running across the state of MN. It also led him to starting the St Croix Running Company and directing his own race events. I catch up with him on all this, how his day at the 2026 FANS Ultra 24hr went, how his training for the iconic MN Superior 100 race is going and what’s the latest with the SCRC. So, grab your Hanes socks, your shoes and head out for your run. But whatever you do, don’t forget to “listen”.SCRC website: https://www.stcroixrunningcompany.com/(Blog): https://www.stcroixrunningcompany.com/blogSCRC on IG: https://www.instagram.com/stcroixrunningChris on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/swenkeChris Swenke personal website: https://www.chrisswenke.com/Chris’ book on Amazon: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0CCK1B22R?ref_=cm_sw_r_ffobk_cso_cp_mwn_dp_KYENSNCRQYZ7XZYGRMXD&bestFormat=trueJoey's YouTube Channel: https://www.youtube.com/@Run_Joey_RunRunning Behind on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/running.behind_podJoey's Strava Profile: https://www.strava.com/athletes/111237895Artwork by Ed Linder
- Jul 4, 20261h 49m
Wynonna Fulgham : Running To The East, Shaped By The Songs
In the Navajo culture, there is a sacred ceremony called a Kinaaldá. It happens when a girl transitions to women hood. As part of the ceremony they must run to the east three times a day, songs are sung, and prayers are given. Like many of their rich traditions, it is rooted in communal participation and focuses on teaching the young women about generosity, endurance, strength and community. My guest, Wynonna Fulgham, went through this ceremony and it sowed the seeds for how she would live her life as a Navajo woman, a wife, a mom, and it helped strengthen her love and connection to running. And oh the places her running has taken her. From the simple start of a 5K to eventual ultramarathons, including a starring role in The Cutoff film when finishing the Cocodona 250 last year and creating a whole new 200+ mile adventure at Cocodona this year. In this conversation we learn about her journey and how her Navajo lineage has shaped her life and her running. Wynonna on IG: https://www.instagram.com/blacksheep_running/ Native Women Run on IG: https://www.instagram.com/native_women_run/Native Women Run on linktree (lot of great links here): https://linktr.ee/NativeWomenRunning18Cocodona 250 races: https://www.aravaiparunning.com/cocodona/Online article about the history of The Long Walk: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Long_Walk_of_the_NavajoArticle in the Navajo Times about Kinaaldá : https://navajotimes.com/opinion/essay/kinaalda-coming-of-age-in-traditional-dine-ceremony/ Resources and information on missing and murdered indigenous women: https://www.niwrc.org/mmiwr-awarenessJoey's YouTube Channel: https://www.youtube.com/@Run_Joey_RunRunning Behind on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/running.behind_podJoey's Strava Profile: https://www.strava.com/athletes/111237895Artwork by Ed Linder
- Jun 20, 20261h 32m
Grace To The Finish : A Panel Discussion On Immigration Advocacy
There is currently an estimated 12-14 million law abiding immigrants in the US, living in fear. Not knowing if they will be taken away from their families or forced into a detention center. Someone you know is afraid to travel, to work to even go on a trail race or run, not knowing if they will be safe, even though they are legal and have done nothing wrong. Because of the color of their skin and the way they speak, they have been told they are not good enough, they are criminals and they don't belong. This is dehumanizing...and this must stop.This is a special panel discussion for the Grace To The Finish campaign. Grace To The Finish was started by Joey Metzger and Neeraj Egbert as an awareness campaign to raise support for immigration advocacy, inclusion and anti-discrimination, especially among the running and trail running communities. We are here to allow voices to be heard and steer supporters to relevant organization, causes and efforts that can help make a difference. Besides Joey and Neeraj, the panel includes Carolina Rubio-MacWright, founder of Touching Land, Cristina Regalado, co-founder of Wasatch Trail Collective and former board member of the Women of the Wasatch, Francisco Segovia, Executive Director of COPAL MN and Jason Bahamundi, owner and founder of The Everyday Athlete Podcast Network and RunTriBike. It's time to speak up, it's time to listen, and it's time to take action.Grace To The Finish website: https://www.gracetothefinish.org/Carolina on IG: https://www.instagram.com/stories/carustol/Touching Land : https://www.touchingland.org/Cristina on IG: https://www.instagram.com/stories/runchachi/Wasatch Trail Collective: https://linktr.ee/wasatchtrailscollectiveWomen of the Wasatch: https://www.womenofthewasatch.com/Francisco Segovia (COPAL): https://copalmn.org/leadership-and-staff/francisco-segovia/COPAL on IG: https://www.instagram.com/mncopal/Jason Bahamundi on IG: https://www.instagram.com/cooktraineatrace/Run.Tri.Bike : https://runtrimag.com/Everyday Athlete Podcast on IG: https://www.instagram.com/everyday_athlete_podcast_ntwrk/Neeraj on IG: https://www.instagram.com/egbertne47/https://openingdoorsinc.org/https://immigrantdefensenetwork.org/https://www.crc4me.org/https://www.immigrationadvocates.org/Running Behind Podcast on IG: https://www.instagram.com/running.behind_pod/
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Confession...I am a slow but persistent trail runner who likes to take on crazy trail running adventures. This is a podcast about the weird world of running, trail running and ultramarathons. Mostly from the perspective of the back of the pack...ordinary people trying to do extra-ordinary things. Topics will focus on gear, health, nutrition, training, trails and trail races around MN and the Midwest, and also taking a look all of this through the lens of older runners. Get ready for an ultra slow, but highly optimistic ride. We will get to that finish line, even if we are...running behind.
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