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by Zack and Josie
Two Plus Two is a space for the conversations most couples aren’t having… but probably should be. Zack and Josie explore connection, intimacy, and relationships through honest, vulnerable discussions. Through their own reflections and conversations with their guests, they inspire listeners to strengthen their relationships and discover new perspectives on communication, trust, and fulfillment—embracing the idea that deeper connection comes from the conversations most people avoid.
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- 6 days ago1h 7m
Ep 81: Non-Reciprocal Play: Does Everything Have to Be Equal?
What happens when one partner is ready to play and the other needs a little more time? Zack and Josie welcome Genie and Dr. G back for their third episode together to explore non-reciprocal play (NRP), an approach that challenges one of the lifestyle’s most common assumptions: that everyone needs to participate equally for an experience to be fair.Dr. G heats fast like a microwave, but Genie’s desire grows more gradually like a crockpot. Their very different timelines for getting comfortable with new play partners has created challenges many couples can relate to. When everything has to be equal, couples commonly find themselves playing less often, agreeing to play to please their partner, or dialing back their desire to match their partner’s comfort level. But what if there is another way? What if fair doesn’t always mean equal?This conversation dives into the nuances of NRP, what it looks like in practice, and how this approach has helped Genie and Dr. G feel more comfortable, authentic, and connected in the lifestyle. Zack and Josie, who admit to taking a “fair is fair” approach to their own lifestyle experiences, have plenty of questions, especially when it comes to boundaries and making NRP work in practice.Along the way, they unpack the loaded label of being called a “tease” and the common challenges women face when learning to embrace their sexuality. Genie and Dr. G also share insights from their leadership roles in the lifestyle, including how they navigate hosting parties when their own play interests are part of the equation. Plus, the group offers men a little “cheat code” for connecting with women and Zack and Josie recount a hot play experience.Does everything have to be equal for everyone to have a good experience? Whether you’re brand-new to the lifestyle or have years of experience, this conversation might challenge the way you think about fairness, connection, and what works for your relationship.Support our podcast by booking your travel or purchasing your lifestyle products using our affiliate links. Visit https://twoplustwopodcast.com/resources/ The real unicorn is four-way chemistry among couples Swinger scales, crockpots and microwaves Overcoming our beliefs and embracing our sexuality Women like to be pursued…here’s the ‘cheat code’ Teasing, flirting…and being called a ‘tease’ Party hosts to play partners Common play practices and non-reciprocal play (NRP) Zack and Josie’s threesome (NRP) experience Curating NRP situations and group play dynamics A cuckolding experience changed our mindsWe'd love to connect with you!Create your own FREE account on Peaches'nCream, the new social media app for your lifestyle!INVITE CODE: 2PLUS2https://web.peachesncream.app/Join the Two Plus Two Podcast Group on Peaches'nCream to see our exclusive photos, post your comments, ask questions and connect with Zack and Josie.Email us your thoughts, comments and ideas at:hello@twoplustwopodcast.comWant to be a guest? Start with our guest application and tell us all about yourselves!https://twoplustwopodcast.com/guest/ResourcesBook Your Trip to Temptation or Desirehttps://twoplustwopodcast.com/resources/Dr. G & Genie's GroupsArizona Fantasy Clubhttps://arizonafantasyclub.com/Hot Wife Communityhttps://hotwifecommunity.com/Genie Wisheshttps://www.geniewishesevents.com/
- 2 weeks ago1h 20m
Ep 80: We Told Our Kids We’re Swingers… and They Had Questions
What happens when you finally sit down with your adult children and talk openly about swinging…and sex? Zack and Josie invited their daughters into a conversation they’d never had before, answering their questions, asking a few of their own, and tackling questions submitted by listeners in the Two Plus Two Podcast group on Peaches’nCream.With a family history personally impacted by the lifestyle, the conversation goes deeper than curiosity. The girls share what they believed about swinging, what they knew about their parents’ past, and why they were surprised Zack and Josie chose to return to the lifestyle after how badly things went the first time. Together, they unpack how age, openness, and the strength of Zack and Josie’s relationship have changed the way the girls see it today.Everyone walks away having learned something new, proving it’s never too late to have an honest conversation. For parents with adult children who are navigating the same question of whether to open up about the lifestyle, this episode offers a candid look at the possibilities on the other side of that conversation.Support our podcast by booking your travel or purchasing your lifestyle products using our affiliate links. Visit https://twoplustwopodcast.com/resources/ A quick backstory Your parents’ sex life Swinging from a child’s perspective Societal expectations of women vs men Women are in the lifestyle for the men Answering our kids’ questions Being a grandparent in the lifestyle How we pick play partners Dating and meeting people online Mutual interest, context and opportunity Consent is sexy STI testing and sexual health Pulling the rip cord, the lifestyle laboratory What we enjoy and communicating it clearly Pineapples, gnomes, flamingoes, black rings AJ and Nyssa answer listener questions Has it changed your relationship? Do you look at your parents differently now? DId it change how you moved forward in your own life? Our shared experience with the lifestyle last timeWe'd love to connect with you!Create your own FREE account on Peaches'nCream, the new social media app for your lifestyle!INVITE CODE: 2PLUS2https://web.peachesncream.app/Join the Two Plus Two Podcast Group on Peaches'nCream to see our exclusive photos, post your comments, ask questions and connect with Zack and Josie.Email us your thoughts, comments and ideas at:hello@twoplustwopodcast.comWant to be a guest? Start with our guest application and tell us all about yourselves!https://twoplustwopodcast.com/guest/ResourcesBook Your Trip to Temptation or Desirehttps://twoplustwopodcast.com/resources/
- Oct 7, 20261h 2m
Ep 79: Do Women Want It as Much as Men? Gender, Sex & the Lifestyle
Do women really want sex as much as men? Or have men and women been taught to think about sex so differently that we never really question the assumptions behind that question?Zack and Josie take a surprisingly deep dive into the gender-specific messages they received growing up and discover how those messages may still be shaping their experiences in the lifestyle today. Girls are taught that boys just want sex and will do anything to get it—and that it's their job to protect themselves and not “give it up.” Boys, meanwhile, are taught that wanting sex is natural and that they have to “get it” from girls.That creates a fundamental imbalance: one gender is taught to pursue sex while the other is taught to control access to it. And those messages don't necessarily disappear when people enter a committed relationship—or even when they enter the lifestyle.Zack and Josie explore how those early lessons, along with the messages reinforced by television, movies and popular culture, can create expectations that men will always want sex and women won't. But what happens when you build a sexual relationship on that assumption?As they challenge their own beliefs, Zack and Josie realize they may experience and think about sex very differently—not simply because they're a man and a woman, but because they were programmed with very different ideas about what sex means, who should want it, who should initiate it and what it says about you when you do.The conversation gets raw, personal and unexpectedly revealing, with plenty of “aha” moments for both hosts. More importantly, they come away with new perspectives that could help them—and other couples—approach the lifestyle with more understanding, excitement, fulfillment and perhaps even more success.If you've ever wondered why you and your partner seem to experience desire differently, this conversation may give you a completely different way to look at it—and help you understand what your partner may be thinking but never quite saying.Support our podcast by booking your travel or purchasing your lifestyle products using our affiliate links. Visit https://twoplustwopodcast.com/resources/ Messaging about sex is gender specific Girl on girl play Sex is penetrative sex to achieve male ejaculation Only have sex if you’re in love and if not, you’re a slut Biology won out over fear of judgment and shame Sex and the lifestyle Protection vs pursuit mindset Men want it more than women Sexual evolution Porn vs erotica Women like to be dominated Gender roles and sex How you navigate the lifestyle may determine your success Men and women view sex, even in the lifestyle differently A helpful change of perspective Differences between general society and the lifestyleWe'd love to connect with you!Create your own FREE account on Peaches'nCream, the new social media app for your lifestyle!INVITE CODE: 2PLUS2https://web.peachesncream.app/Join the Two Plus Two Podcast Group on Peaches'nCream to see our exclusive photos, post your comments, ask questions and connect with Zack and Josie.Email us your thoughts, comments and ideas at:hello@twoplustwopodcast.comWant to be a guest? Start with our guest application and tell us all about yourselves!https://twoplustwopodcast.com/guest/ResourcesBook Your Trip to Temptation or Desirehttps://twoplustwopodcast.com/resources/
- Sep 23, 20261h 6m
Ep 78: How to Get Your Wife Into Swinging (Without Getting Divorced)
What happens when one partner wants to explore the lifestyle and the other is a “hell no!”? In this entertaining and candid conversation, Zack and Josie are joined by Genie and Dr. G to explore a question that hits close to home for many couples: How do you convince your wife to get into the lifestyle?Presented tongue in cheek, the conversation reveals an underlying truth: You can't convince someone to do something they're not ready for. Each couple shares how they discovered the lifestyle, navigated their early experiences, and learned to balance two unique individuals within the same relationship.But what happens when a wife hears the suggestion and wonders, "Am I not enough?" Josie and Genie share their initial reactions to their husbands' proposals, offering insight into the emotions and concerns that can arise when one partner introduces the idea. The conversation explores both the female and male perspectives, along with practical advice for navigating insecurities, communication, and the desire to explore something new together.As the discussion evolves, the couples explore the importance of respecting the pace of the more conservative partner, recognizing individual differences, and understanding that a couple's journey doesn't have to look like anyone else's. Josie and Genie also reflect on the personal growth they've experienced through entering and navigating the lifestyle.Entertaining, informative, and filled with honest insights, this episode offers couples a valuable opportunity to reflect on their relationship, expectations, and readiness before taking the next step into the lifestyle.Support our podcast by booking your travel or purchasing your lifestyle products using our affiliate links. Visit https://twoplustwopodcast.com/resources/ I’m as shocked as you are! Life got busy and we moved on Am I enough? Gotta have it! Plant the seed Water the seed Transparency and respect for each other Things evolved organically at my own pace We did it our way Setting and honoring very clear boundaries Selfish or selfless…it’s a balance Be authentically yourself and take the journey together Slow and steady Ripping the bandaid off You can’t convince her to do anything…let her be in control Take her on the journey with you and discover things together You can expect to grow personally and in your relationship I am not the same person I was when we started This episode can be a tool…listen with your partnerWe'd love to connect with you!Create your own FREE account on Peaches'nCream, the new social media app for your lifestyle!INVITE CODE: 2PLUS2https://web.peachesncream.app/Join the Two Plus Two Podcast Group on Peaches'nCream to see our exclusive photos, post your comments, ask questions and connect with Zack and Josie.Email us your thoughts, comments and ideas at:hello@twoplustwopodcast.comWant to be a guest? Start with our guest application and tell us all about yourselves!https://twoplustwopodcast.com/guest/ResourcesBook Your Trip to Temptation or Desirehttps://twoplustwopodcast.com/resources/Dr. G & Genie's GroupsArizona Fantasy Clubhttps://arizonafantasyclub.com/Hot Wife Communityhttps://hotwifecommunity.com/Genie Wisheshttps://www.geniewishesevents.com/
- Sep 9, 202650 min
Ep 77: You’re Not Wrong… and Neither Is She: Intimacy and Sex in the Lifestyle
Zack and Josie are on their own again as they tackle a listener’s difficult question about navigating the lifestyle when partners have very different ideas about intimacy, emotions, and what feels comfortable.Only three months into the lifestyle, the listener and his wife have formed a strong four-way connection with another couple. He wants to develop a close, sensual relationship with the other wife while still viewing and desiring the relationship as something shared between the two couples. His wife, however, feels insecure about the depth of that connection and has made it clear that she doesn’t want to develop feelings for people they have sex with.What initially sounds like a disagreement about what is—or isn’t—too intimate quickly becomes a much deeper conversation about insecurity, fear, shame, vulnerability, and the need to feel safe with the person who is supposed to be your partner through it all. Zack and Josie explore the difference between making love and just fucking, how couples can move through the lifestyle together when their boundaries don't perfectly align, and why communication is foundational to sexual exploration and liberation.They also discuss how partners can create the kind of safety that makes difficult conversations possible, how to support rather than invalidate each other’s feelings, and why being fully supported by a partner can make all the difference when confronting the internal struggles that come with exploring outside the traditional boundaries of a relationship.True to form, Zack and Josie use thought experiments to examine the situation from different perspectives and offer their best advice for navigating this—and the many other difficult conversations couples may encounter along their lifestyle journey.Support our podcast by booking your travel or purchasing your lifestyle products using our affiliate links. Visit https://twoplustwopodcast.com/resources/ A listener’s email What is considered too intimate? Making love and fucking Moving through the lifestyle as partners The internal struggle and performance anxiety Relational vs transactional swinging Communication in play experiences is key Let’s talk about sex, Baby Have the conversations - feeling safe is key Thought experiments and evolving in the lifestyle Sexual liberation and total acceptance and support Labels don’t tell the whole story Navigating difficult conversations Closing thoughts and adviceWe'd love to connect with you!Create your own FREE account on Peaches'nCream, the new social media app for your lifestyle!INVITE CODE: 2PLUS2https://web.peachesncream.app/Join the Two Plus Two Podcast Group on Peaches'nCream to see our exclusive photos, post your comments, ask questions and connect with Zack and Josie.Email us your thoughts, comments and ideas at:hello@twoplustwopodcast.comWant to be a guest? Start with our guest application and tell us all about yourselves!https://twoplustwopodcast.com/guest/ResourcesBook a Cruise or Your Trip to Temptation or Desirehttps://twoplustwopodcast.com/resources/
- Aug 26, 202649 min
Ep 76: Naughty N’awlins: Five Days of Play, Pleasure & Pushing the Limits
For the first time, Zack and Josie recorded an episode of Two Plus Two entirely on their own—and they had plenty to talk about. They share the highs and lows of their first Naughty N’awlins experience, an event they had heard only positive things about.In a little nod to their previous conversation about taboo, they stepped well outside their normal routine and had five back-to-back play experiences, playing every day they were there. They discuss the positives and negatives of doing that and share some unexpected consequences. They each weigh in on whether they would repeat five days of consecutive play and what they may do differently.They attended workshops for the first time and experienced a dungeon tasting, where Josie was introduced to e-stim and the violet wand. She enjoyed the experience enough to purchase a violet wand of her own from The Dungeon Store.And then there’s the secret Brad repeatedly teased them about: How can you tell whether a play session is going to be good before you actually play? Zack and Josie finally reveal what they believe is the answer and discuss whether they would still play if they suspected the experience might not be great—or simply walk away and have sex with each other instead.Josie also reveals a shift in her mindset from “give me reasons to say yes” to “give me reasons to say no,” leading to a conversation about how their approach to play has evolved. They briefly share their experience at Colette and invite listeners to weigh in on whether they prioritize quantity or quality in their own experiences by joining the conversation on Peaches’nCream.Support our podcast by booking your travel or purchasing your lifestyle products using our affiliate links. Visit https://twoplustwopodcast.com/resources/ Overall vibe of Naughty N’awlins and host hotels Our first ever workshops Dungeon tasting and the violet wand We made connections prior to the event We were naughty at Naughty Our experience of Colette Back to back play experiences Quality over quantity The negatives at Naughty The health related negatives after Naughty What we’ll do differently next timeWe'd love to connect with you!Create your own FREE account on Peaches'nCream, the new social media app for your lifestyle!INVITE CODE: 2PLUS2https://web.peachesncream.app/Join the Two Plus Two Podcast Group on Peaches'nCream to see our exclusive photos, post your comments, ask questions and connect with Zack and Josie.Email us your thoughts, comments and ideas at:hello@twoplustwopodcast.comWant to be a guest? Start with our guest application and tell us all about yourselves!https://twoplustwopodcast.com/guest/ResourcesBook a Cruise or Your Trip to Temptation or Desirehttps://twoplustwopodcast.com/resources/The Dungeon Storewww.TheDungeonStore.com
- Aug 12, 20261h 7m
Ep 75: Taboo: Exploring the Lifestyle Despite Society’s Rules
Genie and Dr. G join Zack and Josie for their first appearance on the podcast. For more than a decade, they have created lifestyle events designed to give couples—and eventually singles—a safe, discreet and inclusive place to explore their sexuality. Through Genie Wishes, Arizona Fantasy Club and their fastest-growing group, Hot Wife Community, consent and respect are at the heart of everything they do.The conversation explores what it means to participate in a lifestyle that society often considers taboo. Genie and Dr. G share how their upbringings and societal expectations shaped their views about sex, relationships, guilt and shame—and how challenging those expectations has led to personal growth.They also discuss vulnerability between partners, creating a safe space for difficult conversations, making propositions without creating pressure, and how to handle a “no” with love and respect.It’s an honest conversation about challenging the rules people are taught to follow, embracing vulnerability, and discovering what can happen when couples give themselves permission to explore the parts of their sexuality that society tells them should remain taboo.Support our podcast by booking your travel or purchasing your lifestyle products using our affiliate links. Visit https://twoplustwopodcast.com/resources/ Safety, consent and discretion are the cornerstones Genie Wishes and Arizona Fantasy Club Hot Wife Community Reframing sex and the Vegas mindset Societal and familial expectations and conditioning Gay clubs are great for dancing Dr. G’s upbringing and what other people think Being vulnerable and creating a safe space for taboo subjects Navigating propositions and conversations with respect Reactions, responses and disappointment Stigma of bisexuality for both men and women Shame and guilt Processing negative experiences Internal and external strugglesWe'd love to connect with you!Create your own FREE account on Peaches'nCream, the new social media app for your lifestyle!INVITE CODE: 2PLUS2https://web.peachesncream.app/Join the Two Plus Two Podcast Group on Peaches'nCream to see our exclusive photos, post your comments, ask questions and connect with Zack and Josie.Email us your thoughts, comments and ideas at:hello@twoplustwopodcast.comWant to be a guest? Start with our guest application and tell us all about yourselves!https://twoplustwopodcast.com/guest/ResourcesBook Your Trip to Temptation or Desirehttps://twoplustwopodcast.com/resources/
- Jul 29, 20261h 5m
Ep 74: A Unicorn Finds Her Match: Community, Chemistry & Commitment
Zack and Josie welcome new guests Rick and Gwen for a conversation about their unique journey navigating the lifestyle together. After meeting a little over a year ago, the two began building their connection while exploring how the lifestyle would fit into their relationship.When they met, Gwen was already a unicorn in the lifestyle, while Rick brought extensive experience as a pleasure Dom. Together, they have had to navigate the changes that came with shifting from individual experiences to exploring as a couple. They share the growing pains, lessons learned, and how they continue to support each other’s interests and desires.Gwen talks about how she discovered the lifestyle and what keeps her drawn to it, while Rick shares his journey of finding a place for his BDSM interests with partners who genuinely enjoy those dynamics.The conversation also dives into the challenges singles often face in the lifestyle, including feelings of loneliness and navigating connections without the built-in support of a partner. Rick and Gwen discuss the differences between solo experiences and couple experiences, including the unique bond couples can build when they reconnect and share their adventures together.This episode explores connection, communication, evolving roles, and the ways relationships can grow when partners embrace each other’s authentic selves.Support our podcast by booking your travel or purchasing your lifestyle products using our affiliate links. Visit https://twoplustwopodcast.com/resources/ Gwen’s journey into the lifestyle as a unicorn Rick’s BDSM journey BDSM doesn’t interest Gwen, but she respects his desire for it The pleasure Dom Rick and Gwen met on Feeld Building a relationship while navigating the lifestyle together Perceptions and expectations Prejudice, judgment and communication Adventure, community and connection The octopus Parallel play, play dynamics Navigating feelings and connections Chemistry, emotional connection and meaningful love Attraction and communicating interestWe'd love to connect with you!Create your own FREE account on Peaches'nCream, the new social media app for your lifestyle!Available on the App Store and on Google Play.INVITE CODE: 2plus2https://peachesncream.app/Join the Two Plus Two Podcast Group on Peaches'nCream to see our exclusive photos, post your comments, ask questions and connect with Zack and Josie.Email us your thoughts, comments and ideas at:hello@twoplustwopodcast.comWant to be a guest? Start with our guest application and tell us all about yourselves!https://twoplustwopodcast.com/guest/ResourcesBook Your Trip to Temptation or Desirehttps://twoplustwopodcast.com/resources/Rick’s Photography Businesshttps://www.instagram.com/polymathphotoGwen’s Coaching Businesshttps://theopendynamic.com/
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