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by Sue Marriott LCSW, CGP & Ann Kelley PhD
Ranked as one of Apple’s Top 10 Social Science podcasts, Therapist Uncensored delivers trusted, science-backed insights on mental health and secure relationships. With over 11 million downloads worldwide, this female-led, independent podcast puts you right in the therapy room, making powerful psychological insights accessible and actionable. Co-hosts Sue Marriott, LCSW CGP and Ann Kelley, PhD break down complex ideas into practical wisdom you can use immediately. They’re joined by top neuroscientists, world-renown relationship experts and outside-the-box perspectives to share cutting-edge research and strategies for building stronger connections with yourself and others. Shownotes at www.therapistuncensored.com Transform how you understand your mind, your relationships, and yourself.
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- 6 days ago1h 3m
The Other Side of Caregiving: Grief, Vulnerability & Finding Joy with Lindsey & Thomas Kealey (315)
When life changes overnight, how do we find our way forward? After losing Thomas’s mother to pancreatic cancer and navigating Thomas’s aggressive leukemia diagnosis, bone marrow transplant, relapse, and ongoing recovery, Lindsay and Thomas join Dr. Ann Kelley to share their deeply personal journey through cancer, caregiving, grief, and resilience. Together, they explore the emotional realities of serious illness, the often-overlooked grief experienced by caregivers, and how vulnerability, honest communication, and mutual support can strengthen relationships during life’s most uncertain moments. “If I’m going to go through this, I want to grow through this.” – Thomas Kealey Time Stamps for The Other Side of Caregiving: Grief, Vulnerability & Finding Joy with Lindsey & Thomas Kealey (315) 03:59 Transition from caregiver to patient 09:52 Keys to acceptance and trust in medical care 24:51 Supporting each other through grief and fear 34:59 Practical tools for caregivers and patients 45:11 Talking about fear and end-of-life conversations 55:10 Creating normalcy and connection in the hospital 59:51 Living with uncertainty and foreboding joy About our Guests – Lindsey & Thomas Kealey Thomas is a dedicated Preoperative & Post Anesthesia charge nurse in Bend, Oregon. As a co-host of the Brain it On! Podcast, he shares insights from his personal journey with Multiple Phenotype Acute Leukemia (MPAL) and a bone marrow transplant. His mission is strengthened by the mutual support he shared with his mother, who had pancreatic cancer, to inspire and help others facing medical challenges. Lindsey is an instructor of Human Development and Family Sciences at Oregon State University and the author of PAWsitive Choices Social and Emotional Learning. Her experience teaching in elementary schools and higher education led her to create a curriculum that integrates neuroscience and problem-solving to foster children’s resilience. As a co-host of the Brain it On! Podcast, she shares key learnings from her journey through her husband’s cancer treatment to help others navigate adversity. Resources for The Other Side of Caregiving: Grief, Vulnerability & Finding Joy with Lindsey & Thomas Kealey (315) Brain It On! – Thomas and Lindsey’s podcast The Comfort & Healing Companion: A Patient and Caregiver Toolkit for Treatment, Recovery, and Beyond – Thomas &Lindsey’s book, get your copy! Instagram – Following the Brain It On podcast’s profile YouTube – Check out their Youtube channel Please support our sponsors – they keep our podcast free and accessible to all! Therapy can be costly, but part of the mission of Talkspace is to provide quality care that is accessible and affordable—whether or not you are insured. As a listener of this podcast, you’ll get $80 off of your firs
- 1 weeks ago14 min
Bonus – Curiosity Over Certainty: The Secret to More Secure Relationships with Ann & Sue (314)
Patreon/Supercast Special Release – Bonus – Curiosity Over Certainty: The Secret to More Secure Relationships with Ann & Sue (314) This is a sneak peek of our newest episode – available only on our Premium Supercast and Patreon platforms. For as little as $5/month you can have access to special releases like this one, first-to-know about upcoming events and discounts and an ad-free feed. Click here to join & finish the episode!! Are you curious—or just looking for reassurance? Sue and Ann are back to explore why genuine curiosity is harder than it sounds—and why our need for certainty can quietly interfere with connection. Through relatable examples, attachment science, and a little self-reflection, Ann and Sue highlight the difference between seeking answers and cultivating true curiosity. They explore how our assumptions about ourselves and others shape our relationships, why uncertainty can feel threatening, and how learning to sit with discomfort can open the door to deeper understanding. From challenging the stories we tell ourselves to recognizing our own emotional reactions, discover practical ways to move beyond defensiveness, strengthen self-awareness, and build more secure, connected relationships—starting with yourself. “You need to point your curiosity inward first.” – Sue Marriott, LCSW CGP Time Stamps for Bonus – Curiosity Over Certainty: The Secret to More Secure Relationships with Ann & Sue (314) 01:05 Exploring curiosity as a tool for connection 09:35 Understanding our stories and assumptions 14:47 The importance of self-reflection in curiosity 25:12 Challenging certainty 31:59 The role of attachment in curiosity 39:47 Practical steps to cultivate curiosity Looking for our Upcoming Events? Click here!! – Ann & Sue have LIVE training sessions in November and December in partnership with the Trauma Therapist Institute… you won’t want to miss them! Our Beyond Attachment Styles course is available NOW! Learn how your nervous system, your mind, and your relationships work together in a fascinating dance, shaping who you are and how you connect with others. Earn 6 Continuing Education Credits – Available at Checkout Online, Self-Paced, Asynchronous Learning with Quarterly Live Q&A’s – Next Q&A Coming December 11th 2026!   …and the course pairs wonderfully with our book – Secure Relating: Holding Your Own in an Insecure World – get your copy HERE! “Comprehensive, courageous, creative and clear, Sue Marriott and Ann Kelley expertly and compassionately guide us through a deep understanding of attachment and how to rewire our nervous systems toward more secure and fulfilling relationships. This i
- 2 weeks ago1h 2m
Beyond Western Psychology: Decolonizing Mental Health Through Testimony Therapy with Dr. Makungu Akinyela (313)
Testimony is more than telling your story—it’s reclaiming the power to heal Psychologist, scholar, and activist Dr. Makungu Akinyela explores Testimony Therapy, an African-centered approach that emphasizes storytelling, cultural identity, ancestral wisdom, and community connection. Alongside co-host Sue Marriott, they examine how colonialism and systemic oppression shape mental health, the power of oral traditions in healing, and why meaningful change requires moving beyond individual treatment toward collective healing and liberation. “The story is not just one person’s story. It’s a shared story.” – Dr. Makungu Akinyela Time Stamps for Beyond Western Psychology: Decolonizing Mental Health Through Testimony Therapy with Dr. Makungu Akinyela (313) 01:09 Dr. Akinyela’s background and activism 02:22 The influence of Western psychology and decolonial thought 03:56 Fanon, Du Bois, and the roots of testimony therapy 10:32 Testimony therapy and the question of cultural narratives 13:40 Double consciousness and the experience of Blackness 17:58 Colorism, internalized racism, and social trauma 21:28 Fanon’s zone of non-being and political realities 28:10 African-centered worldview and community healing 34:04 Orality, storytelling, and the power of testimony 42:53 Signification, rhythm, and body in oral traditions 48:41 Cultural practices and healing modalities 58:13 Decentering the therapist and collaborative healing 01:02:03 Global resistance and decolonial mental health movements About our Guest – Dr. Makungu M. Akinyela Dr. Makungu M. Akinyela (Mah-koon-goo Ah-keen-yay-Lah) is a leading authority on cultural democracy, narrative practice, anti-racist resistance, and mental health. He is a licensed psychotherapist practicing in Atlanta, Georgia, and an Associate Professor of Africana Studies at Georgia State University. He is the creator of the African-centered approach to narrative practice called testimony therapy and the author of the book Testimony Therapy: Decolonizing Mental Health for Black Therapists and Clients, published by W.W. Norton. He is also the author of the book Culture, Politics, Spirituality and Practice: A book of resistance and critical theory for disturbing times, published by Dulwich Publications. As a scholar activist and a therapist. Dr. Akinyela is a lifelong committed social justice organizer with a focus on struggles for human rights and justice for Black people in the United States and the African diaspora. His research and writing include such subjects as cultural democracy and mental health care; cultural domination and therapeutic resistance; reparations and the role of mental health workers in repairing oppressive wounds; and African-centered family therapy. He is a Clinical Fellow and an Approved Supervisor of the American Association of Marriage and Family Therapy (AAMFT). Resources for Beyond Western Psychology: Decolonizing Mental Health Through Testimony Therapy with Dr. Makungu Akinyela (313) Testimony Therapy: Decolonizing Mental Health for Black Therapists and Clients – Get your copy of Dr. Akinyela’s book Please support our sponsors – they keep our podcast free and accessible to all! Therapy can be costly, but part of the mission of Talkspace is to provide quality care that is accessible and affordable—whether or not you are insured. As a listener of this podcast, you’ll get $80 off of your first month with Talkspace when you go to <span style="
- Sep 29, 20261h 5m
Secure-ish: Rethinking Self-Worth & Attachment with Dr. Marisa G. Franco (312)
What does self-worth really look like when we stop trying to be perfectly secure? Dr. Ann Kelley talks with psychologist and bestselling author Dr. Marisa G. Franco about her new book, Worth: The New Science of Self-Esteem and Secure Attachment. Dr. Franco challenges the idea that healing means becoming perfectly “secure,” arguing instead for becoming “secure-ish”—learning to acknowledge insecurity, shame, vulnerability, and other difficult emotions without judging or rejecting those parts of ourselves. She explores the difference between self-esteem and true self-worth, why some people struggle to receive love or positive feedback, and how our deeply held stories about ourselves can shape the relationships and experiences we seek out. The conversation also navigates into the science of memory and memory reconsolidation, including how past experiences can continue to influence our emotions and reactions even when we don’t consciously remember them. “Being a steward of self-worth for self and for others is about allowing people to make mistakes and be imperfect.” – Dr. Marisa G. Franco Time Stamps for Secure-ish: Rethinking Self-Worth & Attachment with Dr. Marisa G. Franco (312) 01:57 Why friendship matters more than we think 04:01 The problem with attachment styles as status symbols 08:00 Memory as the database of self-perception 13:58 The role of implicit and explicit memory 25:59 The role of body sensations in healing 31:59 Overcoming self-criticism and building resilience 36:07 The Science of Memory and Emotional Triggers 40:02 Addressing detachment and dissociation 47:57 Practical tools for lasting change 49:55 The Future of Self-Worth and Emotional Freedom About our Guest – Dr. Marisa G. Franco An enlightening psychologist, international speaker, and New York Times bestselling author, Dr. Marisa G Franco is known for digesting and communicating science in ways that resonate deeply enough with people to change their lives. She works as a professor at The University of Maryland and authored the New York Times bestseller Platonic: How The Science of Attachment Can Help You Make—and Keep—Friends and Worth: The New Science of Self-Esteem and Secure Attachment. She writes about friendship for Psychology Today and has been a featured connection expert for major publications like The New York Times, The Telegraph, and Vice. She speaks on belonging and self-worth at corporations, government agencies, non-profits, and universities. For tips on friendship, you can follow her on Instagram (DrMarisaGFranco), or go to her webs
- Sep 8, 202612 min
Bonus – The Art of Allowing: Psychedelics, Breathwork & Expanded States of Consciousness with Patty Nagle (311)
Patreon/Supercast Special Release – Bonus – The Art of Allowing: Psychedelics, Breathwork & Expanded States (311) This is a sneak peek of our episode with Patty Nagle – available only on our Premium Supercast and Patreon platforms. For as little as $5/month you can have access to special releases like this one, first-to-know about upcoming events and discounts and an ad-free feed. Click here to join & finish the episode!! Licensed mental health counselor and breathwork facilitator, Patty Nagle, explores the practice of “allowing”—slowing down, releasing the need to constantly effort, and creating space for new possibilities. Patty discusses expanded states of consciousness through psychedelics, breathwork, and nature, and explains how these experiences can interrupt deeply ingrained patterns and open the door to change. Alongside co-host Sue Marriott, the two share the importance of preparation, safety, discernment, and integration, and why the real work often begins after the experience. Timestamps for The Art of Allowing: Psychedelics, Breathwork & Expanded States of Consciousness (311) 03:04 Surrender and allowing as a healing practice 05:26 Bringing expanded consciousness into the world 08:38 What is an expanded state of consciousness? 09:15 Methods to induce expanded states: breathwork, nature, psychedelics 11:07 The spectrum of expanded states and their effects 13:43 The potential and risks of psychedelics 17:21 The importance of slow down and integration 21:16 Candidates and contraindications for psychedelic work 23:07 Managing adverse experiences and set and setting 32:32 The history and cultural significance of psychedelics 39:40 The process of integration and touchstones 50:39 Opportunities and offerings for learning and community About our Guest – Patty Nagle, LMHC Patty Nagle is a Licensed Mental Health Counselor (LMHC) and certified Grof® Breathwork facilitator who supports individuals navigating the complex, beautiful, and often bewildering territory of healing and transformation. She specializes in helping people prepare for and integrate expanded states of consciousness—including psychedelic experiences—offering grounded, heart-centered guidance for those walking the path of inner exploration. Patty’s approach is rooted in transpersonal and Jungian psychology, deep listening, and a healthy respect for the fact that the healing process rarely follows a straight line. Before becoming a therapist, she spent many years in nonprofit management. That experience continues to inform her therapeutic approach, w
- Sep 1, 202652 min
Attachment Isn’t Solo Work: Healing Through Community with Martin Jonsson (310)
Attachment repair is a skill, not just insight. Swedish clinical psychologist and SecureBase Lab founder Martin Jonsson explores how attachment healing extends beyond individual therapy and into relationships and community. Martin shares how peer support, shared experiences, and practical secure-relating skills can create opportunities for attachment repair, while exploring the roles of spirituality, sexuality, and belonging in building deeper, more secure connections. “Community is about horizontal empathy, not hierarchy.” – Martin Jonsson Attachment Isn’t Solo Work: Healing Through Community with Martin Jonsson (310) 02:21 Spirituality and its role in therapy 09:21 Community as a space for attachment repair 11:23 Difference between groups and communities 14:54 Horizontal empathy and attachment in community 19:56 The integration of attachment theory in recovery models 22:26 Peer support and corrective emotional experiences 25:52 Language of attachment and shared understanding 28:27 Accessibility and inclusivity in attachment work 30:44 Sexuality and attachment patterns 34:09 Impact of attachment on intimacy and boundaries 40:44 Working with unconscious shadow aspects in community 45:16 The role of mentalization and affect regulation 49:38 Resources and upcoming workshops About our Guest – Martin Jonsson Martin Jonsson is a licensed clinical psychologist, educator, and founder of Secure Base Lab, an attachment-informed therapeutic community integrating attachment science, experiential psychotherapy, and relational approaches to support psychological growth and relational wellbeing. For more than twenty years, Martin has worked at the intersection of psychotherapy, education, and transformational learning. Alongside his clinical practice, he has facilitated groups, trained professionals, and designed experiential learning programs across healthcare, education, social services, and personal growth. His academic training includes degrees in Clinical Psychology and Sexology, complemented by extensive postgraduate training in attachment-based therapies, including experiential dynamic therapies, as well as supervision training. His work is further informed by contemporary attachment research, affective neuroscience, interpersonal neurobiology, and experiential psychotherapy. Today, Martin combines clinical practice, teaching, writing, and facilitation with the ongoing development of Secure Base Lab. His work is dedicated to bridging rigorous psychological science with the timeless human need for belonging, helping people move beyond understanding themselves toward experiencing—and creating—the kinds of relationships in which lasting change becomes possible. Click Here to see Martin’s full bio. Resources for Attachment Isn’t Solo Work: Healing Through Community with Martin Jonsson (310) The Secure Base Lab – Website, resources, workshops and more @TheSecureBaseLab – Official Instagram page Please support our sponsors – they keep our podcast free and accessible to all! SimplePractice is an all-in-one EHR that is HIPPA compliant, HITRUST
- Aug 18, 20261h 7m
DBT, Chronic Invalidation & Finding Queer Joy with Dr. Kiki Fehling (309)
What can DBT teach us about turning invalidation into joy? Dr. Kiki Fehling and Dr. Ann Kelley explore how chronic invalidation can shape emotional regulation, identity, and self-worth, particularly for queer and trans individuals. Through the lens of DBT and minority stress, Kiki shares how understanding these experiences can help challenge internalized shame, build resilience, and move beyond simply healing – and make space for authenticity, connection, and queer joy. “Internalized shame can be healed through community.” – Dr. Kiki Fehling Time Stamps for DBT, Chronic Invalidation & Finding Queer Joy with Dr. Kiki Fehling (309) 00:27 Understanding chronic invalidation in parenting and garegiving 02:05 How invalidations lead to emotional dysregulation 04:37 Adult consequences of childhood invalidations 07:00 Invalidation beyond parenting: Queer identity and society 07:59 Minority stress and queer invalidations 14:51 Using DBT to cultivate joy and self-acceptance 23:06 Practical tools: Books and resources for self-directed DBT About our Guest – Dr. Kiki Fehling Dr. Kiki Fehling (they/she) is a licensed psychologist, author, speaker, and DBT-Linehan-Board-certified expert in Dialectical Behavior Therapy (DBT). Passionate about making evidence-based mental health information more accessible, Kiki focuses on advocacy and public education around suicide prevention, LGBTQIA+ mental health, borderline personality disorder, and the intersection between mental health and heart health. She is the author of The LGBTQ+ Mental Health Workbook, Self-Directed DBT Skills, and DBT Cards for Coping Skills. Kiki also writes the Substack newsletter How To Queer Joy, volunteers for nonprofits Now Matters Now and WomenHeart, and shares DBT skills and mental health resources across social media @dbtkiki.   Resources for DBT, Chronic Invalidation & Finding Queer Joy with Dr. Kiki Fehling (309) The LGBTQ+ Mental Health Workbook – Find Emotional Resilience, Self-Love, and Queer Joy with Dialectical Behavior Therapy Self-Directed DBT Skills – 3-Month DBT Workbook Dr. Kiki Fehling’s website – Additional resources and information <div tabindex="0" role="textbox" aria-label="We will publish show notes that include any books, important references, and links you suggest. Are there any specific ones you want to be listed for this
- Aug 11, 202616 min
Bonus – Inside Mentalization-Based Treatment: Borderline & Narcissistic Personality Disorders (308)
Patreon/Supercast Special Release – Bonus – Inside Mentalization-Based Treatment: Borderline & Narcissistic Personality Disorders (308) This is a sneak peek of our 2nd episode with Robert Drozek – available only on our Premium Supercast and Patreon platforms. For as little as $5/month you can have access to special releases like this one, first-to-know about upcoming events and discounts and an ad-free feed. Click here to join & finish the episode!! What is mentalization—and how can therapists put it into practice? In this more clinical deep dive, Robert Drozek explores Mentalization-Based Treatment (MBT) and how strengthening our ability to understand our own and others’ inner experiences can support the treatment of borderline and narcissistic personality disorders. Sue and Robert explore the common breakdowns in mentalizing, the power of curiosity over certainty, and practical strategies clinicians can use to help clients build greater emotional awareness, empathy, and connection. “The hallmark of mentalization is curiosity.” – Robert Drozek Time Stamps for Bonus – Inside Mentalization-Based Treatment: Borderline & Narcissistic Personality Disorders (308) 01:20 – What is Mentalization? 02:56 – The origins of Mentalization-Based Treatment (MBT) 08:07 – Curiosity vs. certainty: What healthy mentalizing looks like 12:43 – When thoughts feel like facts: Psychic equivalence 18:14 – Certainty in Borderline Personality Disorder 19:34 – Certainty in Narcissism 20:58 – The “not-knowing” stance in MBT 26:00 – How Mentalization-Based treatment actually works 32:32 – MBT vs. DBT: What’s the difference? 35:11 – How therapists can incorporate Mentalization into practice 42:25 – Identifying Mentalizing blind spots About our Guest – Robert P. Drozek, LICSW Robert P. Drozek, LICSW is the clinical director of the Mentalization-Based Treatment Clinic at McLean Hospital in Belmont, Massachusetts. He is a teaching associate in the Department of Psychiatry at Harvard Medical School, specializing in the treatment of borderline personality disorder, narcissistic personality disorder, and post-traumatic stress disorder. He is author of the new book, Mentalization: Utilizing reflection to heal from borderline personality disorder—the first book for the general public about mentalization-based treatment.   Resources for Bonus – Inside Mentalization-Based Treatment: Borderline & Narcissistic Personality Disorders (308) Download page – Free worksheets and handouts from the book Mentalization Coach App – The first mobile app for mentalization and MBT, adapted from my new book Mentalization-based Treatment for Pathological Narcissism – Handbook Mentalization-based Treatment for Personality Disorders – A practical guide Cambridge Guide to Mentalization-based Treatment Anna Freud Centre – The worldwide training hub for mentalization-based treatment (MBT) <a href="https://decon
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Ranked as one of Apple’s Top 10 Social Science podcasts, Therapist Uncensored delivers trusted, science-backed insights on mental health and secure relationships. With over 11 million downloads worldwide, this female-led, independent podcast puts you right in the therapy room, making powerful psychological insights accessible and actionable. Co-hosts Sue Marriott, LCSW CGP and Ann Kelley, PhD break down complex ideas into practical wisdom you can use immediately. They’re joined by top neuroscientists, world-renown relationship experts and outside-the-box perspectives to share cutting-edge research and strategies for building stronger connections with yourself and others. Shownotes at www.therapistuncensored.com Transform how you understand your mind, your relationships, and yourself.
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