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The temperature of our Church, and our country, is running hot. The Communion Project Podcast, hosted by Jonathan Lewis, features Catholic leaders and thinkers wrestling honestly with division in the Church, and sharing practical ways to choose friendship over factions and live a communion greater than any difference. Whether you are a Church leader or simply a Catholic who is tired of the choosing sides, welcome to the conversation.
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- 2 weeks ago1h 4m
Julianne Stanz on Evangelization, Listening, and Holy Boldness
Why is it easy to receive Jesus in the Eucharist on Sunday, yet treat members of the Body of Christ with suspicion the rest of the week?Host Jonathan Lewis welcomes Catholic author, speaker, and evangelization leader Julianne Stanz to discuss Christian unity, polarization in the Catholic Church, and the holy boldness required to love people across differences.Drawing on more than 20 years in Catholic ministry and her experience growing up amid religious and cultural divisions in Ireland, Julianne explains why evangelization begins with listening. She offers practical wisdom for difficult conversations, conflict resolution, prayer, discernment, and recognizing our own defensiveness. Jonathan and Julianne also explore social media division, missionary discipleship, the Eucharist, and what it means to remain one Body of Christ without demanding uniformity.ABOUT JULIANNE STANZJulianne Stanz is Director of Outreach for Evangelization and Discipleship at Loyola Press and a consultant to the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops Committee on Catechesis and Evangelization. The Irish-born author, retreat leader, and storyteller has served the Catholic Church at parish, diocesan, national, and international levels.Her books include Start with Jesus, Braving the Thin Places, Developing Disciples of Christ, and The Catholic Parent’s Survival Guide.IN THIS EPISODE• Catholic evangelization through listening and accompaniment• Navigating polarization and conflict in the Catholic Church• Approaching difficult conversations with curiosity• Christian unity without uniformity• Fraternal correction versus “tribal correction”• Praying for people and political leaders we dislike• Lessons about reconciliation from Northern Ireland• Recognizing personal and institutional defensiveness• Living an embodied Catholic faith in a digital world• Finding courage, hope, and belonging in the ChurchEPISODE CHAPTERS00:01 — Meet Julianne Stanz01:59 — The “milk-crate Mass” and communion across differences07:12 — Practicing communion within the Catholic Church09:19 — Unity, diversity, and healthy tension13:28 — Why conflict is not always negative16:18 — How Jesus approaches difficult conversations18:55 — Listening to people quietly leaving the Church23:43 — Christian communication and conflict online27:09 — Praying for people we dislike30:47 — Flexibility, strength, and spiritual rigidity34:06 — Discernment, curiosity, and disarming our words39:51 — Religious division and reconciliation in Ireland45:29 — Misneach: courage of the heart48:28 — Why missionary disciples cross borders50:08 — Embodied faith in a disembodied world52:15 — Julianne’s hopes and heartbreaks for the Church56:00 — Practical habits for building communion59:05 — St. Dymphna and a Church with room for everyoneRESOURCESJulianne Stanz and her books:https://www.loyolapress.com/authors/julianne-stanz/The Communion Project:https://communionproject.org/Ut Unum Sint: That They May Be One:https://www.vatican.va/content/john-paul-ii/en/encyclicals/documents/hf_jp-ii_enc_25051995_ut-unum-sint.htmlIf this conversation encouraged or challenged you, share it with someone seeking a more faithful way to navigate disagreement. Subscribe to The Communion Project Podcast and leave a review to help others discover the show.
- Oct 6, 20261h 0m
Dr. Ann Garrido on Redeeming Conflict and Seeking Truth
In this episode, host Jonathan Lewis sits down with theologian, preacher, author, and conflict mediator Dr. Ann Garrido to explore how Christians can engage disagreement without damaging their relationships. Ann explains why healthy communities are not free from conflict, how to separate another person’s intentions from the impact of their actions, and why genuine dialogue begins with curiosity rather than persuasion.The conversation also explores truthfulness in an age of misinformation, the limitations of social media, and the Church’s responsibility to model better ways of handling conflict. Ann shares how her experience of living with brain cancer has deepened her understanding of communion, vulnerability, and preaching—not only through words, but through the witness of one’s life.Episode Timestamps00:57 — Growing up in a large Catholic family in St. Louis01:42 — The preaching that shaped Ann’s faith as a child03:36 — Encountering Scripture throughout the week—not only at Sunday Mass04:19 — Discovering a lifelong vocation to preaching and teaching05:14 — Thirty years of forming preachers, priests, and deacons07:33 — What it means to redeem conflict10:19 — Why conflict avoidance is not the same as peace12:21 — Healthy relationships require conflict—and the skills to repair them13:02 — Why people often leave the Church quietly14:27 — A practical skill for difficult conversations: separating intention from impact17:55 — “The story I’m telling myself”: questioning our assumptions about others18:41 — Closing the gap between our internal and external voices20:49 — Christian habits for communicating online25:36 — Misinformation, gossip, and our moral responsibility to verify what we share26:26 — Thomas Aquinas and the difference between honesty and truthfulness29:06 — Why truth is something we continually seek—not something we possess32:49 — Dialogue as a spiritual practice of entering more deeply into mystery33:16 — If you have no questions, you may not be ready for the conversation34:33 — The bishop who transformed a crisis by coming to listen38:03 — Living with brain cancer and experiencing communion through prayer and vulnerability43:08 — Preaching through one’s life when words are no longer enough44:49 — What gives Ann hope about the Church today47:59 — Offering the sign of peace across profound differences50:32 — Why the departure of justice-minded Catholics breaks her heart52:59 — Communion as seeking truth, speaking truthfully, and being true to one another55:08 — Three practices for building communion in families, parishes, and online57:27 — St. Thecla, Catholic agency, and refusing to wait for someone else to build communion58:27 — The Catholic Church as the biggest umbrella in the rainstorm of lifeAbout the GuestDr. Ann Garrido is associate professor of homiletics and pastoral theology at Aquinas Institute of Theology, where she also directs the Aquinas Children’s Worship Partnership. Her teaching, research, and consulting focus on Catholic preaching, Christian conflict management, leadership, administration, and ministry formation.Ann is the author of ten books, including Redeeming Conflict, Redeeming Administration, Redeeming Power, Let’s Talk About Truth, and #Rules_of_Engagement. She holds a Master of Divinity and a Doctor of Ministry in Preaching from Aquinas Institute and has worked extensively with dioceses, seminaries, ministry organizations, and leaders navigating difficult conversations.
- Sep 22, 202646 min
Dr. Charlie Camosy on A.I. Ethics, Avoiding a Red/Blue Binary, and Changing Your Mind
What if disagreement with the people we love isn’t the enemy of communion, but a path toward it?In this episode, host Jonathan Lewis sits down with moral theologian and bioethicist Dr. Charlie Camosy to explore how Catholics can resist the red-versus-blue binary and follow the principles of their faith wherever they lead. Drawing on his upbringing in a family that disagreed vigorously while remaining rooted in love, Charlie explains how a consistent ethic of life challenges every political tribe and offers a bold alternative to polarization.Charlie also reflects on rebuilding trust among young people, the Catholic Church’s opportunity to shape the conversation about artificial intelligence, and the surprising relationships that become possible when we engage disagreement with humility and friendship. Throughout the conversation, he returns to one essential practice: always reserving the right to change your mind—about an issue, an argument, or another person.Episode Timestamps01:10 — Growing up Catholic in rural Wisconsin and being formed by his mother’s faith03:16 — Meaningful experiences of the Mass, from his wedding at Oxford to being seen by Cardinal Dolan05:55 — How a family shaped by love—and political disagreement—prepared Charlie’s vocation08:42 — Why healthy disagreement so easily hardens into division11:31 — The principles of a consistent ethic of life13:37 — Following an ethical principle wherever it leads15:45 — Why Catholic faith should make us uncomfortable with every political camp17:12 — Questioning the categories of “Republican” and “Democrat”19:43 — The Americans who don’t fit neatly into a left-right binary22:15 — Gen Z, declining trust, and signs of religious revival26:05 — Artificial intelligence as an opportunity for Catholic engagement26:28 — What a friendship with Peter Singer unexpectedly made possible29:41 — Why we should always reserve the right to change our minds33:40 — The Magenta series and a bold alternative to red-versus-blue Catholicism37:32 — What breaks Charlie’s heart—and what fills it—about the Church today39:46 — A practical exercise: remember when you changed your mind about another person43:38 — Mary, Undoer of Knots, as a patron for difficult dialogue44:32 — What Charlie wants newcomers to know about the Church’s intellectual traditionAbout the GuestDr. Charlie Camosy is an associate professor of moral theology and ethics at The Catholic University of America, where he teaches moral theology and bioethics. His work focuses on bioethics, moral anthropology, Catholic social teaching, transhumanism, and the dignity of vulnerable human life.Charlie is the author of nine books, including Resisting Throwaway Culture, One Church, and Living and Dying Well. He is also the founding editor of Focolare Media’s Magenta series, which publishes bold Christian perspectives that resist polarized ideological categories.
- Sep 8, 202644 min
Dr. John Cavadini on Gratitude, the Mass, and Love of Neighbor
What if uniting ourselves closer to Christ means caring less about our own liturgical preferences and more about our brothers and sisters?Dr. John Cavadini, theologian and longtime director of the McGrath Institute for Church Life at the University of Notre Dame, reflects on the deep connection between Eucharistic communion and our communion with one another.Drawing on the wisdom of St. Augustine, Dr. Cavadini explains why the Church must “become what she is,” how belief in Christ’s real presence can reshape the way we see difficult or inconvenient people, and why unity is first a gift before it becomes a task. He also reflects on the beauty and brokenness of the Church, the hidden wisdom of ordinary believers, and the practices that can help Catholics grow in gratitude, patience, and love.Episode Timestamps01:04 — Growing up Catholic and attending early Sunday Mass with his grandparents02:19 — Memorable liturgies, personal taste, and the danger of judging the Mass by aesthetics06:09 — Do we really believe Christ is present in the Eucharist?11:10 — Responding generously to distracting music, preaching, readers, and crying children15:38 — Pope Leo XIV, St. Augustine, and the meaning of “In the One, we are one”19:27 — The Church’s unity as both a gift and something we must grow into22:25 — “Become what you are”: what Israel’s journey from slavery teaches us about communion27:59 — Digital culture, self-righteousness, and learning to bear one another’s burdens28:03 — Bishop Daniel Flores, Eucharistic adoration, and recognizing Christ in an inconvenient neighbor31:52 — Why defending human dignity can never become an either-or choice32:40 — Building unity at Notre Dame by beginning with the beauty of the faith37:05 — Mystical experience, popular devotion, and the quiet faith of ordinary Catholics40:25 — What fills Dr. Cavadini’s heart—and what breaks it—about the Church today42:58 — Two practices for building communion: weekday Mass and faithful daily prayer46:55 — Servant of God Julia Greeley and St. Joseph as patrons of communion52:18 — What every person curious about the Catholic Church should knowAbout the GuestDr. John C. Cavadini is a professor of theology at the University of Notre Dame and the former McGrath-Cavadini Director of the McGrath Institute for Church Life, which he led from 2000 to 2026. A member of Notre Dame’s faculty since 1990, he specializes in patristic and early medieval theology, the theology of St. Augustine, and the history of biblical and patristic interpretation.
- Aug 25, 202642 min
Bishop Mulvey on Jesus, The Cross, and The Spirituality of Unity
What if unity requires us to lose? In this episode, host Jonathan Lewis sits down with Bishop Michael Mulvey, Bishop Emeritus of the Diocese of Corpus Christi, to explore why communion comes at a cost—and why loving someone does not require agreeing with them.Drawing on nearly five decades of involvement with the Focolare Movement, Bishop Mulvey reflects on its spirituality of unity, the power of living the Gospel together, and the example of Mary as someone willing to surrender her plans and follow the Holy Spirit. He explains why listening is essential to Christian life, how sacrificial love can overcome polarization, and why priests and Church leaders must choose God—not ministry, programs, or institutions—as their true ideal.Bishop Mulvey also shares what breaks his heart and gives him hope about the Church, his reflections on Pope Leo XIV’s witness to unity, and why every Catholic has a part to play in building a more welcoming and united Church.Episode Timestamps00:51 — Growing up in a Catholic family in Houston02:05 — An embarrassing—and memorable—childhood experience at Mass03:48 — Bishop Mulvey’s path through parish, seminary, diocesan, and episcopal ministry05:02 — Discovering the Focolare Movement and its spirituality of unity06:45 — Living the Gospel in the devastation of World War II08:40 — God is love: encountering Jesus in every neighbor09:35 — Jesus forsaken and the choice to continue loving through suffering10:25 — Mary’s presence, discipleship, and hidden work of giving life to Jesus11:21 — Moving beyond ideas to live the Gospel together12:14 — Why Christian wisdom grows through shared experience14:49 — What does a spirituality of unity look like today?15:25 — Unity has a price: becoming “all things to all people”18:54 — Why the sacrifice required for unity is worth making19:19 — Every person as a candidate for unity20:04 — Leadership, discipline, mercy, and trusting the Holy Spirit21:36 — How clergy and lay leaders can cultivate unity in their parishes21:52 — Reaching out to those who disagree—and listening more than speaking23:11 — Synodality, growth, and the danger of seeking security24:20 — Choosing God rather than making an idol of priesthood or ministry26:00 — Why we struggle to let go of our plans27:08 — Mary and the spiritual practice of learning how to lose29:17 — The seed must die in order to bear fruit31:23 — What breaks Bishop Mulvey’s heart about the Church today31:35 — Polarization, stagnation, and competing voices within the Church34:21 — Why young Catholics give Bishop Mulvey hope36:05 — Pope Leo XIV and the call to become a Church in communion38:43 — Refusing to put popes—and one another—into ideological boxes40:11 — Finding the thread of unity throughout the communion of saints42:13 — What Bishop Mulvey wants those curious about Catholicism to knowAbout the GuestBishop Michael Mulvey is the Bishop Emeritus of the Diocese of Corpus Christi, Texas, where he served as bishop for nearly 16 years. A Houston native, he has served the Church in parish ministry, Catholic education, priestly formation, seminary leadership, and diocesan administration. Before his appointment to Corpus Christi, he served as vicar general and diocesan administrator for the Diocese of Austin. Bishop Mulvey has participated in the Focolare Movement’s spirituality of unity for nearly five decades.
- Aug 11, 202642 min
Dr. Hosffman Ospino on Bridge-Building, Human Dignity, and Community
What if healing polarization begins not with winning an argument, but with asking someone, “How are you?” In this episode, host Jonathan Lewis sits down with Dr. Hosffman Ospino, professor of theology at Boston College and a leading voice on Hispanic Catholic life, to explore how communion, bridgebuilding, and the ministry of presence can renew the Church.Drawing on his upbringing in Colombia and his experience of Catholicism in the United States, Dr. Ospino reflects on the Hispanic understanding of the Church as family, the difference between healthy disagreement and dehumanizing polarization, and the inseparable relationship between faith and public life. He describes Hispanic Catholics as gente puente—a bridge-building people whose experience of living between cultures can help the Church embrace a “both-and” vision rooted in the common good.Dr. Ospino also explains why synodality is simply what it means to be Church, how our shared baptismal dignity calls us to listen to one another, and why a meal or cup of coffee with someone who disagrees with us can become a ministry of healing.Episode Timestamps00:10 — Welcome and introduction to Dr. Hosffman Ospino00:22 — Growing up in Colombia and “breathing” Catholicism01:54 — Experiencing Pentecost at Mass in St. Peter’s Square03:37 — Communion through the Hispanic Catholic experience of family and community04:50 — How polarization appears within Hispanic Catholic communities05:38 — Healthy differences versus dehumanizing ideological polarization10:55 — Recovering human dignity as the foundation of Catholic life11:16 — Why faith and public life cannot be separated14:35 — Public Catholicism and the need to choose communion intentionally16:11 — Reconciliation, positive anthropology, and becoming instruments of healing16:44 — Gente puente: Hispanic Catholics as people who live and build bridges20:21 — “Both-and” thinking, community, the common good, and the American dream22:34 — Synodality as walking and listening together23:15 — Why synodality is simply about being Church27:50 — Entrepreneurship, Pentecost, and recognizing the gifts of every baptized person29:53 — Turning down polarization by affirming what Catholics hold in common31:13 — What breaks Dr. Ospino’s heart—and what fills him with hope—about the Church33:20 — Healing relationships through coffee, meals, presence, and the question “How are you?”36:08 — Parish potlucks, salads, desserts, and the Catholic “both-and”37:10 — St. Óscar Romero as a patron for rebuilding communion39:12 — What newcomers should know about the beauty and mystery of Catholic initiation40:47 — Closing thoughtsAbout the GuestDr. Hosffman Ospino is a professor of theology and religious education at Boston College’s School of Theology and Ministry and a nationally recognized scholar of Hispanic Catholicism and ministry in the United States. Born in Colombia, he has lived most of his life in the United States and has spent nearly 25 years teaching theology. His work explores how the experiences and gifts of Hispanic Catholics are shaping the present and future of the Church.
- Jul 28, 202652 min
Julia McStravog on Prayer, Synodality, and the Holy Spirit
What if the Synod on Synodality isn’t really about meetings at all? In this episode, host Jonathan Lewis sits down with Julia McStravog, the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops’ point person for the synodal process, to explore how prayer, dialogue, participation, and spiritual friendship can renew the Church’s relationships and mission.Drawing on her background in ecumenical and interreligious dialogue, Julia describes synodality as a worldwide process of spiritual formation and conversion—not simply another Church program. She reflects on the wounds revealed through the Church’s listening process, the role of religious communities as models of shared discernment, and why genuine dialogue begins with prayer, humility, and the willingness to become comfortable with discomfort.Episode Timestamps00:13 — Cold open: why the “Synod on Synodality” is about much more than meetings01:35 — Meet Julia McStravog and her work accompanying the U.S. synodal process03:04 — New synod guidelines, continental assemblies, and what comes next05:53 — Pausing the interview to pray: keeping the Holy Spirit at the center07:12 — The Adsumus Sancte Spiritus: the prayer accompanying the synodal process09:34 — Growing up Catholic in “Delco” and discovering a love for theology12:20 — Being told she wasn’t Christian—and how it inspired Julia’s work in interreligious dialogue14:18 — Why dialogue with other traditions can deepen rather than diminish Catholic identity15:50 — Children at Mass and the formative power of genuine participation20:29 — What is synodality? A worldwide process of spiritual formation and conversion22:28 — Why Pope Francis believed the Church needed a renewed culture of dialogue26:31 — Is the American Church really as divided as it appears?27:46 — Relationship and encounter as remedies for polarization29:08 — “Enduring Wounds”: what the synodal listening process revealed about pain in the Church32:10 — Living in communion through the Church’s unity amid diversity33:44 — What religious communities can teach the wider Church about synodality36:30 — Pope Leo XIV, religious life, shared authority, and leadership rooted in community39:39 — What breaks Julia’s heart—and what gives her hope—about the Church today42:00 — Julia’s most important practice for building communion: prayer44:34 — Engaging across differences through self-knowledge, humility, and discomfort47:18 — What families can teach us about living with tension and remaining in relationship49:03 — Communion, participation, and mission: what the synod is really for50:34 — Lightning round: pepper jack, parish potlucks, and spiritual friendship51:12 — St. Francis de Sales and St. Jane de Chantal as patrons for this moment52:13 — What Julia wants newcomers to know: there are many ways to be CatholicAbout the GuestJulia McStravog accompanies the synodal process for the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops. Her theological studies and professional work have centered on the Catholic theology and practice of dialogue. She previously served in the USCCB’s ecumenical and interreligious affairs office and worked with clergy and professors at the United States Holocaust Memorial Museum. She has helped guide the U.S. Church’s participation in the global synodal process since 2021.
- Jul 14, 202635 min
Dr. Tim O'Malley On Saint Augustine, Unity, and Reform
Is the Catholic Church in America really as divided as the headlines suggest — or are we being told a story that isn't quite true? In this episode, host Jonathan Lewis sits down with Dr. Tim O'Malley, theologian, author, and Associate Director for Research at the McGrath Institute for Church Life at the University of Notre Dame, to unpack liturgical division, the wisdom of St. Augustine, Pope Leo's early emphasis on unity, and what it really means to live in communion with people who are different from us.Drawing on Augustine's response to the Donatist controversy, the legacy of Vatican II, and his own conversion story growing up Catholic in the Bible Belt, Tim offers a hopeful and refreshingly honest take on Church unity — and a practical challenge for every Catholic listening.Episode Timestamps00:00 — Cold open: political idolatry and the worship shaping American life today00:23 — Meet Tim O'Malley: professor at Notre Dame's McGrath Institute for Church Life01:07 — Tim's conversion story: growing up Catholic in South Florida and becoming "the only Catholic" in East Tennessee03:04 — Tim's most formative liturgical memories: confirmation, marriage, and Mass at Notre Dame on 9/1105:01 — Why the ordinary, regular practice of Sunday Mass shapes identity more than the "big moments"06:21 — Why liturgy is so often the flashpoint for division in the U.S. Catholic Church09:26 — Is liturgy a proxy war? How Vatican II's reforms were historically unprecedented12:31 — Most Catholics aren't fighting about the liturgy — so who is, and why?13:58 — "The spicy part": Tim's hot take on infant baptism reform15:11 — Docility and the wisdom of Romano Guardini: letting the liturgy shape you16:03 — St. Augustine's letter to Januarius on liturgical diversity and unity in non-essentials17:07 — What St. Augustine and the Donatist controversy teach the Church about unity amid division20:06 — Naming America's real idolatry: political worship, MAGA, and eschatological hope in politics21:01 — Pope Leo XIV, Chicago roots, and echoes of Augustine, "the Bishop of Hippo," in his early pontificate22:08 — Pope Leo's motto "In the One, We Are One" and what it means for the Church today22:55 — What breaks Tim's heart: exclusion, disunity, and forgetting the gift of grace25:05 — What gives Tim hope: the rise of lay-led ecclesial and apostolic movements27:01 — What does it actually mean to be "in communion"? Why difference is essential to real unity30:36 — Tim's #1 practice for building unity: get off social media and know your literal neighbor31:49 — Lightning round: potluck dish, patron saints for this moment (Augustine and Benedict)32:48 — What Tim wants newcomers to know about the Catholic Church34:06 — Closing reflection: "My fault, my fault, my most grievous fault" — why imperfection belongs in the Church34:37 — Episode wrap-up and where to find more Communion Project resourcesAbout the GuestDr. Tim O'Malley is a theologian and Associate Director for Research at the McGrath Institute for Church Life at the University of Notre Dame. He holds a PhD from Boston College and has spent his career studying and teaching on liturgy, sacraments, and the life of the Church.
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