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Everything people and workforce—recruiting, marketing, technology, talent management, and workforce economics—delivered with biting sarcasm and unapologetic snark. Industry misfits Chad Sowash and Joel Cheesman bring their no-holds-barred opinions to dissect news, trends, and the occasional dumpster fire. If you’re a hiring company, staffing firm, or vendor looking for insights (and a thick skin), these two won’t just tell you what’s happening—they’ll tell you why you’re probably doing it wrong. Buckle up, buttercup.
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- Today36 min
Gen Z Got Job Problems: AI Didn’t Kill the Resume. It Exposed It
Joel and Chad sit down with Holly Hobbs—Gen Z founder, first-job TikToker, and co-founder of uruture—to talk about how young people actually get work now. She built an audience by posting her own rejection-to-apprenticeship story, then turned that into a business that helps employers reach school leavers instead of making kids game an ATS. "Number 10" even used that reach to talk to young people about careers. They get into why apprenticeships and frontline jobs still fight for respect, what “authentic” employer brand really means on TikTok, and why posting a job with stock photos doesn’t work. AI and easy-apply come up too: not as the death of hiring, but as proof the old process was already broken. Holly’s take on the mood among Gen Z is mixed—grim application stories on one side, side hustles and new companies on the other—and she argues first jobs should judge people on who they are, not a blank CV. It's a vision into the future and a warning for those stuck in the past. Chapters 00:00 - Introduction to Holly Hobbs and her background 03:45 - Interviewing Prime Minister Keir Starmer and her social media strategy 07:08 - Holly's journey from job searching to founding uruture 08:48 - The mechanics of job applications and the role of CVs 09:59 - How Holly's business helps young people navigate the job market 10:34 - Understanding apprenticeships in the UK and their opportunities 11:07 - The value of blue-collar and entry-level roles 12:49 - Building an authentic employer brand for Gen Z 13:44 - The importance of visual and story-driven employer branding 14:26 - Transparency about work culture and expectations 16:06 - Diversity targets and targeted job advertising 17:09 - The impact of AI on job search and applications 18:40 - The future of job boards and entry-level recruitment 20:46 - Challenges faced by young job seekers and the role of experience 22:32 - The importance of soft skills and personality in hiring 24:16 - Using behavioral data and AI to assess candidates 25:45 - The optimism and challenges among young people today 28:16 - The importance of building networks and side hustles 32:24 - The decline of traditional CVs and the rise of new application methods 33:38 - Holly's contact info and final thoughts
- 4 days ago50 min
Anthropic IPO or BUST!
Golden Handshakes, Digital Paperclips, and a Very Expensive Extinction Chad Sowash, a rain-soaked Stephen McGrath, and Lieven Van Nieuwenhuizen log on for a dose of HR tech absurdity, corporate passive-aggression, and high-stakes market delusion. The HR Stack Trap: Stephen takes pity on the hundreds of corporate talent leaders weeping on LinkedIn after hoarding dozens of shiny SaaS tools they have no idea how to operate. The "Please Quit" Playbook: Microsoft casually offers voluntary buyouts to 60,000 workers, while Skydance goes with the classic combo of buyouts mixed with a forced march back to physical cubicles. Who’d You Rather: Tech Edition: Faced with a hypothetical 2:00 AM closing-time dilemma, the hosts choose between two software suitors. ZenZapp pitches a private messaging fortress with rigid boundaries for your sanity, while Town rolls out $108M in backing and automated “Townie” bots designed to chat with each other so human employees can stay home. Dayforce Goes Shopping: Dayforce finally emerges from its quiet era to swallow Ribbon, an AI video and voice screening startup. Anthropic's 80-Billion-Dollar Bar Tab: The episode wraps with Anthropic gearing up for an IPO. Revenue rocketed past $16B, but it comes hitched to an eye-watering $80 billion net loss in the first half of 2026 alone. Cue Chad retreating into the fetal position with a cold pint of Guinness to ponder the financial apocalypse.
- 5 days ago5 min
Shredded: Paylocity, Dayforce, Ribbon AI, Colare, Microsoft, Skydance, eTeam, & More
The Shred is a weekly roundup of what’s making headlines in the world of employment.
- 1 weeks ago27 min
How Heineken's Turned Recruiting Data Into Business Results with Kobi Ampoma
How do you tell 21,000 candidates a year "thanks, but no thanks" without accidentally convincing them to stop drinking your beer? From Amsterdam’s Muziekgebouw, Chad Sowash catches up with Heineken’s Head of Talent, Kobi Ampoma, to peel back the curtain on enterprise hiring reality. They break down the real cost of clunky legacy tech, why calendar Tetris is devouring 30% of your recruiters' workweeks, and the secret to getting a CRO’s attention by tying empty seats directly to lost revenue. Plus, discover how Heineken teamed up with VONQ to rethink candidate persona mapping—driving a 75% female hire rate for their commercial teams and proving that the best diversity strategy is simply reflecting the customers who actually buy your product.
- 1 weeks ago58 min
Out-LinkedIn, LinkedIn?
Paris is Burning, Autonomous Fridges are Hacking Back, and the "Hiring Reject Machine" is Eating Candidates Alive Ever wonder what happens when nearly $400 million in VC cash collides with pure, unadulterated recruiting chaos? Strap in, because Chad and Cheese are back to expose the absolute circus that is modern AI talent tech. In this episode, we unpack: Elon’s 30-Second Wonder: Why SpaceX-style thrusters on a car are about as viable for a 5-minute flight as a chocolate fireguard. The Bullhorn Blackout: Ten thousand staffing agencies left staring at blank walls after a cyberattack. Did data fly the coop? Nobody knows, but at least recruiters got a coffee break! Eightfold’s Musical Chairs: A massive lawsuit, a new CEO stepping into the ring, and why this looks suspiciously like the Theranos of recruiting. Are any of these tech bros actually thinking about the poor job seeker getting ground up in the gears? Absolutely not! Tune in for the hot takes, the rage, and a bartender who definitively understands the assignment.Listen now before your ATS turns into a sentient overlord.
- 1 weeks ago6 min
Shredded: Zenzap, Workday, Amazon, ADP, LinkedIn, Deel, HR Path, & More
The Shred is a weekly roundup of what’s making headlines in the world of employment.
- 2 weeks ago44 min
The Future of Work and Staffing in an AI Era
If the idea of an AI-powered robot wielding a razor near your vital organs gives you cold sweats, you’re not alone—and according to global workforce statistics, job seekers are feeling that exact same terror about their careers. In this chaotic, live episode from Amsterdam, co-hosts Joel Cheesman and Chad Sowash bring a microphone and a healthy dose of snark to four brave HR industry leaders: Rika Coppens CEO, House of HR Chiara Riondino Head of FOW, European Commission Minna Melleri Executive Director, World Employment Confederation Glenn Bloxham-Mundy Global Accounts Leader, LinkedIn Tune in to hear what happens when application bots fight recruiter bots in an endless doom-loop, and stick around for the post-show outrage when an announcer realizes a podcast named after cheese didn't mention a single slice of Cheddar.
- 2 weeks ago1h 3m
Hungry Like The TechWolf : Jukebox is Thirsty : LinkedIn's 'Entrepreneurs R Us'
On the latest episode of The Chad & Cheese Podcast, Joel Cheesman and Emi Beredugo dig into a busy week of talent-tech deals and LinkedIn news. Acquisitions, resignations and bad decisions are back, baby! SAP has acquired skills-intelligence company TechWolf, which will integrate with SuccessFactors while remaining independent. Juicebox has picked up the intellectual property and assets of sourcing platform Fetcher. Humanly has acquired CareerArc to combine recruitment marketing with its AI hiring tools for high-volume employers. They also cover LinkedIn CEO Ryan Roslansky’s departure after 18 years, the demotion of a McKinsey partner following a LinkedIn post about the “glass cliff,” and LinkedIn’s new Academy of Economic Opportunity for aspiring entrepreneurs. The episode wraps with a viral TikTok of a candidate speaking gibberish to an AI interviewer that ends the call. Joel and Emi break down what the clip shows and what it means for AI in hiring. Chapters 00:00 - Introduction and episode overview 01:07 - Joel's travel update and jet lag discussion 02:45 - Emi recognized as a top UK black professional 04:30 - Recent recognition and awards for Emi 16:13 - SAP acquires Tech Wolf to enhance skills-based hiring 19:40 - The strategic value of Tech Wolf's data analytics 22:16 - Acquisition of Fuel Fifty and industry implications 23:40 - Fetcher acquisition by Juice Box and industry decline 31:33 - History and strategic moves of CareerArc 34:51 - Leadership changes at LinkedIn and organizational culture 35:57 - LinkedIn launches Academy of Economic Opportunity 43:20 - Discussion on the departure of LinkedIn's CEO 44:44 - The rise of AI interviewers and their risks 55:53 - AI interviewers going rogue and candidate experience 58:16 - Humor and closing remarks
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About The Chad & Cheese Podcast
Everything people and workforce—recruiting, marketing, technology, talent management, and workforce economics—delivered with biting sarcasm and unapologetic snark. Industry misfits Chad Sowash and Joel Cheesman bring their no-holds-barred opinions to dissect news, trends, and the occasional dumpster fire. If you’re a hiring company, staffing firm, or vendor looking for insights (and a thick skin), these two won’t just tell you what’s happening—they’ll tell you why you’re probably doing it wrong. Buckle up, buttercup.
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