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Dr. David Eagle: The Hospital Squeeze

DC EKG with Joe GroganDC EKG Ep 140 | Joe Grogan & Dr. David Eagle: The Hospital SqueezeGuest: Dr. David Eagle, Vice President, American Independent Medical Practice AssociationEpisode DescriptionJoe Grogan sits down with Dr. David Eagle, Vice President of the American Independent Medical Practice Association and board-certified hematologist oncologist from New York Cancer and Blood Specialists, to discuss the collapse of independent oncology practices in America. Dr. Eagle explains how hospital consolidation through aggressive acquisition strategies, combined with punitive reimbursement policies and the 340B drug pricing program, has devastated independent community oncology practices. He details how independent practices declined from 85% of cancer care in 2000 to roughly 45% today, the "uneven playing field" created by 340B, and how policy changes under the Inflation Reduction Act are accelerating the crisis. The conversation covers Medicare payment systems, facility fee exploitation, reimbursement pressures, and the future of cancer care delivery when independent practices disappear. Dr. Eagle also discusses promising advances in cancer treatment including CAR T cell therapy, personalized vaccines, and precision medicine—innovations that may be lost if the healthcare system cannot maintain community-based oncology practices.Key Timestamps0:54 Joe Grogan welcomes Dr. David Eagle from New York Cancer and Blood Specialists1:44 Why independent medical practice is important for oncology and the healthcare system3:38 Current state of independent oncology practices in America3:42 In 2000, community practices were 85% of cancer care; now roughly 45%5:04 How hospitals create artificial competition by setting up practices nearby6:02 The transition when Dr. Eagle's practice was acquired by a hospital system6:08 How hospitals exploit facility fees while patients pay higher copays7:11 Medicare Modernization Act 2003: The ASP system shift that squeezed independent doctors10:18 IRA drug pricing: How add-on payments shrink as negotiated drug prices fall10:51 2025 physician fee schedule: The grim economic reality for independent practices12:29 Why independent community oncologists aren't valued by policymakers15:51 Jeff Faserka: CEO of New York Cancer and Blood, previously in FDA commissioner contention26:18 340B playbook: How hospitals have spent 15 years acquiring independent practices<strong style

John Desser: Health Savings Accounts and Market-Based Healthcare Solutions

Joe Grogan talks with John Desser, VP and Head of Government Affairs at Health Equity, about market-based healthcare and why Health Savings Accounts (HSAs) may be its future. John's 35-year career runs from an internship in Senator John McCain's office through the Bush administration, eHealth, and now Health Equity. He recounts how the ACA's first draft nearly wiped out private online insurance marketplaces, why healthcare.gov stumbled, and how consumer control can fix healthcare's misaligned incentives. He also reflects on Ron Wyden's universal coverage plan without a mandate, Ted Kennedy's role in bipartisan reform, McCain's skinny repeal vote, and Trump's "give the money to the people" approach.Key Timestamps1:10 Joe welcomes John Desser of Health Equity1:26 From foreign policy major to healthcare policy1:46 Falling into healthcare in McCain's office, summer 19892:40 35 years in healthcare, thanks to Dave McIntyre3:18 Coalition for Affordable Health Coverage and refundable tax credits4:45 Bill Thomas: Spend as much as Democrats, but spend it our way6:11 Updating the Archer MSA law7:30 How Bill Thomas put HSAs in the Medicare Modernization Act8:06 Leading health policy in the Bush administration10:45 The uninsured project and Ron Wyden's universal coverage bill12:03 Why dropping the mandate cost zero coverage15:09 eHealth: Selling insurance online for a decade17:05 Waxman's ACA draft and the 100% premium surtax19:54 The John Dingell meeting that removed the surtax21:14 The healthcare.gov disaster22:55 Marketing costs: $20,000 per healthcare.gov sign-up27:06 Trump administration launches enhanced direct enrollment30:22 John joins Health Equity in July 202230:54 Why HSAs matter: Consumers, not bureaucrats, should ration care34:18 Trump's "give the money to the people" instinct35:35 The problem with arbitrary value-based pricing39:21 ACA criticism: Ted Kennedy's absence and the 60-vote problem41:51 Why bipartisan healthcare laws are more durable44:15 "Build a new house next to the old one"44:50 John Goodman's case for HSAs in Medicaid45:28 Why every employer plan should include HSAsKey TopicsHSAs, market-based healthcare, the ACA, healthcare.gov, online insurance marketplaces, Medicare Modernization Act, Medicaid reform, employer-sponsored coverage, bipartisan healthcare policy, consumer-driven healthcareAbout the GuestJohn Desser is VP and Head of Government Affairs at Health Equity, the nation's largest HSA provider, with 17 million total accounts. In more than 35 years in healthcare policy, he has worked for Senator John McCain, led health policy at HHS in the Bush administration, and run government affairs at eHealth during the ACA rollout. He is an expert in consumer-driven healthcare and market-based reform.Podcast: DC EKG with Joe Grogan | Episode: 141 | Host: Joe Grogan | Guest: John Desser, Vice President and Head of Government Affairs, Health EquitySponsor: Survivors for Solutions – https://survivorsforsolutions.orgExecutive Producer: John "CZ" Czwartacki, DC EKG Podcast | Producer: Stay on Course Studios

E139 | Elizabeth Chamblee Birch on The Pain Brokers

Elizabeth Chamblee Birch, law professor and author of The Pain Brokers, exposes a coordinated healthcare fraud scheme targeting over 100,000 women. Stolen HIPAA-protected health records were weaponized by call centers in India and South Florida to convince women they needed emergency mesh removal surgery. Many women were left permanently incontinent after unnecessary procedures. The scheme involved call centers using stolen medical data, South Florida surgical operations, lawyers creating hidden liens, and litigation funders profiting from women's suffering. Birch introduces the villains: Vince Chabra (online pill mill founder), Blake Barber (travel concierge), and complicit doctors. She also highlights heroes: Barbara Bennis (defense attorney who uncovered the conspiracy) and J.R. Baxter (young plaintiffs lawyer who fought back). The episode reveals how electronic health record systems enabled massive data breaches, how private equity infiltrated the legal system, and what reforms are desperately needed to prevent future schemes.Key Timestamps0:53 Joe Grogan introduction1:25 Joe asks Elizabeth about her background1:37 Elizabeth's background: 21 years teaching mass torts2:25 Elizabeth's MFA in narrative nonfiction at UGA3:26 What is vaginal mesh used for?5:21 Sharon gets intimate stolen medical data in phone call6:00 Sharon didn't know she had mesh inserted6:32 Call centers in India and South Florida7:32 Alpha Law: Frankenstein firm through D.C. loophole9:31 Outbound calls fueled by illegal stolen HIPAA data10:12 Sharon's journey through the system12:39 Sharon's financial devastation: $69-120K lien13:24 Litigation funders threaten Sharon's house after settlement15:00 Multi-district litigation vs class action16:15 The perverse economics of the scheme17:33 Economics: $15K vs $215K+ for removal19:10 Women left permanently incontinent after unnecessary surgeries21:15&n

John Bertrand on FDA Approval, CMS Reimbursement, and AI Healthcare Reality

Guest: John Bertrand, former Digital Diagnostics Episode DescriptionJoe Grogan sits down with John Bertrand, a veteran healthcare technology executive who scaled Digital Diagnostics to 75 health systems and achieved the first FDA approval and CMS reimbursement for an autonomous AI diagnostic device without a physician in the diagnostic loop. Bertrand reveals the harsh realities of bringing AI innovation to market: FDA and CMS regulatory frameworks are built for traditional medical devices and physician-driven care, not autonomous AI diagnostics. The conversation covers the shocking CMS reimbursement draft that came in 40-60% below cost of goods sold, the massive first-mover disadvantage in regulated medical device AI, and why reimbursement is the true gating factor for adoption—not clinical superiority. Bertrand explains how workflow integration and financial incentives matter far more than being clinically better. The episode explores the massive gap between what entrepreneurs think should happen with new innovations and the regulatory reality. He concludes with a sobering assessment: if building diagnostic AI again, he would choose supply chain automation instead because the regulatory and reimbursement headwinds are so significant they punish innovators. Where AI is actually making an impact today is patient-facing triage agents, administrative automation, and revenue cycle management—areas with far less friction.KEY TIMESTAMPS0:40 Joe introduces John Bertrand and his healthcare tech background1:28 John clarifies he recently left Digital Diagnostics for supply chain work2:40 John's career: 13 years at Epic Systems across multiple roles6:10 What does Digital Diagnostics' AI device do? Automating retinal imaging7:56 First FDA approval and first CMS reimbursement for autonomous AI diagnostic9:02 Joe's threshold question: shouldn't better innovation be easily adopted?9:50 Reality: workflow integration and reimbursement matter more than clinical quality11:50 The adoption curve: all successful FDA-approved AI devices have CMS reimbursement14:10 FDA experience: desire to help but frameworks built for old technology15:40 FDA scrutiny on AI exceeds scrutiny on human clinicians18:05 FDA guidance changes every 6-12 months, creating constant pivoting and delays20:08 Shifting to CMS: the shocking draft reimbursement story20:45 Draft came in at $10 per test, needed $30+ to be viable22:42 Four months of negotiations with CMS to shift value argument24:40 Process not codified: each company follows unique regulatory path28:04 Six years at Digital Diagnostics: was it worth it?28:44 John would not recommend diagnostic AI to new founders33:02 Turning down multiple diagnostic AI opportunities post-Digital Diagnostics34:19 AI hype vs reality: where are patients actually seeing life improvements?34:19 Patient-facing triage agents are the second inning of real AI opportunity36:25 Reimbursement for chat-based triage: who gets paid?38:23 Autonomous vs assistive AI: the regulatory gap that exists40:31 Could Digital Diagnostics have done physician-in-loop from the start?41:33 Real opportunity: clinical practices deploying their own AI42:20 State licensing nightmare: deploying AI across 50 states44:55 The real concern: RCM automation becoming a zero-sum AI bot battle45:20 Dead Internet Theory applied to healthcare revenue cycle47:38 Closing: a tour de force on AI healthcare realityKey TopicsAI in healthcare, FDA approval process, CMS reimbursement, autonomous AI diagnostics, Digital Diagnostics, diabetic retinopathy, regulatory frameworks, first-mover disadvantage, workflow integration, reimbursement strategy, patient-facing AI, healthcare innovation, regulatory friction, adoption barriers, state licensing, RCM automation, healthcare AI reality About the GuestJohn Bertrand is a veteran healthcare technology executive with over 20 years of experience. He spent 13 years at Epic Systems in analyst, product manag

REFILL | Tomas Philipson on IRA, Inflation, Real Wages, and COVID Policy Tradeoffs (Originally Aired: June 2, 2023)

REFILL | Naomi Lopez on Healthcare AI, ACCESS, TEMPO, and the Future of Care (Originally Aired: January 23, 2026)

This is a legacy episode recorded in January 2026. At the time of recording, Naomi Lopez was founder of Nexus Policy Consulting and a leading voice in healthcare policy, healthcare AI, and state health reform.Joe Grogan sits down with Naomi Lopez from Nexus Policy Consulting to recap the first Healthcare AI Policy Summit held in December 2025 in Washington, DC. They discuss big themes shaping healthcare AI, HHS approaches to AI adoption, and what regulatory clarity could look like. The conversation covers new federal initiatives like ACCESS and TEMPO that may reshape chronic disease management for Medicare patients. They unpack HHS Deputy Secretary Jim O'Neill's vision for AI in government, including using large models to improve physician productivity, payment integrity, and care coordination. They dig into ACCESS Medicare payment model and FDA TEMPO initiative, explaining how these pilots test AI tools in real-world chronic disease management for hypertension, diabetes, musculoskeletal pain, and depression. The discussion widens to physician burnout, interoperability, rural care, states and federal preemption, and what tech companies becoming Medicare Part B providers could mean for healthcare innovation.Key Timestamps0:00 Intro and why the Healthcare AI Policy Summit matters2:00 Summit recap: big themes and regulatory pressure points6:00 Jim O'Neill at HHS: regulatory clarity and adoption inside government12:00 ACCESS explained: Medicare chronic disease management payment model18:00 TEMPO explained: FDA's risk-based approach for chronic care tools24:00 Wearables, remote patient monitoring, and virtual ICU models30:00 Privacy, de-identification, and re-identification risk35:00 AI inside HHS and FDA: productivity, payment integrity, care coordination41:00 Reducing admin burden and physician burnout47:00 Rural healthcare: scaling diagnostics and access with AI52:00 Interoperability and data sharing: APIs, friction, and incentives58:00 State AI laws versus federal preemption1:04:00 2026 outlook: tech companies as Medicare Part B providers1:09:00 Wrap-up and what to watch nextKey TopicsHealthcare AI, ACCESS payment model, TEMPO initiative, FDA regulation, Medicare reimbursement, chronic disease management, AI in government, physician productivity, care coordination, wearables, remote patient monitoring, privacy and de-identification, rural healthcare, interoperability, state AI regulation, federal preemption, healthcare innovation, payment integrityAbout the Guest (at time of recording, January 2026)Naomi Lopez is the founder of Nexus Policy Consulting and a leading voice in healthcare policy, healthcare AI, and state health reform. She co-founded a healthcare AI working group and co-hosted the inaugural Healthcare AI Policy Summit in December 2025 in Washington, DC. Her work focuses on how regulation, Medicare and Medicaid policy, and state law shape healthcare innovation, access, and affordability.Podcast: DC EKG with Joe GroganHost: Joe GroganGuest: Naomi LopezSponsor: Survivors for SolutionsExecutive Producer: John CZ Czwartacki, DC EKG Podcast

REFILL | Jackson Hammond on NHE, CMS Reform, and Making Insurance Almost Obsolete (Originally Aired: January 22, 2026)

In this "REFILL" episode, Joe Grogan sits down with Jackson Hammond from Paragon Health Institute to unpack what the latest CMS National Health Expenditure data says about where U.S. healthcare is headed. They break down spending trends from $5.2 trillion to projections of $8.6 trillion, explaining what changed, what didn't, and what it means for affordability, Medicare, Medicaid, and long-run fiscal pressure. The conversation connects spending outlook to Jackson's work on CMS Innovation Center reform and debates whether CMMI is bending the cost curve or adding bureaucracy without accountability. Jackson argues we should aim for healthcare so affordable you barely need insurance, exploring how choice and competition could reshape the system.Key Timestamps0:55 Jackson's background and how he got into health policy3:39 Focus areas: Medicare, hospitals, drug pricing, PBMs, and 340B5:14 What the NHE report is showing6:14 Healthcare spending trajectory: $5.2T to $8.6T and why it matters8:00 Why health spending is not really optional10:11 Where the money goes: payer mix and per-enrollee costs12:23 Medicaid costs, provider taxes, and state financing tactics15:58 Medicare spending pressure and fiscal risk21:06 Misconception: coverage equals care26:18 Why provider payments keep rising after COVID demand and consolidation33:01 Rural care, consolidation, and rural emergency hospital models40:08 Drug pricing: retrospective versus prospective MFN approaches49:20 2026 outlook and closing thoughtsKey TopicsNational Health Expenditure, healthcare spending, CMS reform, CMS Innovation Center, Medicare spending, Medicaid costs, hospital consolidation, rural healthcare, drug pricing, PBMs, 340B program, provider payments, patient-centered care, healthcare affordability, choice and competition, fiscal policyAbout the Guest (at time of recording, January 2026)Jackson Hammond is a Senior Policy Analyst at the Paragon Health Institute focused on health spending, CMS policy, and reforms centered on choice, competition, and patient-centered care. He authors Paragon's Paragon Prognosis analyses and has written extensively on CMS Innovation Center reform and strategies for making healthcare more affordable through competitive market approaches.Podcast: DC EKG with Joe GroganHost: Joe GroganGuest: Jackson HammondSponsor: Survivors for SolutionsExecutive Producer: John CZ Czwartacki, DC EKG Podcast

REFILL | Michael Cannon on STLDI and ACA Coverage: Costs, Choice, and Tradeoffs (Originally Aired: January 27, 2026)

This is a legacy episode recorded in January 2026. At the time of recording, Michael Cannon was Director of Health Policy Studies at the Cato Institute, a leading voice on healthcare reform, the Affordable Care Act, and market-based health policy solutions.Episode DescriptionJoe Grogan sits down with Michael Cannon from the Cato Institute to discuss short-term, limited-duration insurance (STLDI), also known as "Obamacare-exempt" plans, and why they can be significantly cheaper than ACA exchange coverage. Cannon explains how renewal guarantees work and why allowing more consumer choice can reduce pressure on exchange risk pools. The conversation covers the politics of pre-existing conditions, how ACA rules change insurers' incentives, and why coverage debates often miss the real drivers of cost, access, and quality. They also discuss public trust in healthcare following the Brian Thompson murder and explore how policy choices shape what insurers can and cannot do.Key Timestamps0:23 Michael Cannon joins and what STLDI is2:27 STLDI explained: Obamacare-exempt plans, renewal guarantees, and lower premiums6:00 ACA history: why STLDI was restricted7:46 International comparisons and pre-existing conditions incentives12:10 Why healthcare stays broken: regulation, lobbying, and government-designed systems16:59 Subsidies and the politics of pre-existing conditions22:22 Renewal guarantees, employer tax exclusion, and Medicare history30:37 Public trust after Brian Thompson's murder and Cannon's letter41:56 Wrap-up and key takeawaysKey TopicsSTLDI insurance, short-term limited-duration plans, ACA coverage, renewal guarantees, risk pools, pre-existing conditions, insurance regulation, healthcare costs, consumer choice, affordability, public trust, healthcare policy, market-based reform, junk insurance debate, employer-based coverage, Medicare policyAbout the Guest (at time of recording, January 2026)Michael Cannon is the Director of Health Policy Studies at the Cato Institute and a leading voice on healthcare reform, the Affordable Care Act, health insurance regulation, and market-based health policy solutions. He is a policy expert focused on expanding consumer choice and reducing the regulatory barriers that limit access to affordable coverage options.Podcast: DC EKG with Joe GroganHost: Joe GroganGuest: Michael CannonSponsor: Survivors for SolutionsExecutive Producer: John CZ Czwartacki, DC EKG Podcast